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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#60801: Jul 12th 2017 at 5:44:55 PM

Wasn't the attack that killed Nappa just a non-descript ki blast? Also, I'm pretty sure Vegeta never uses the "Heat Dome Attack".

edited 12th Jul '17 5:46:05 PM by Zeromaeus

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60802: Jul 12th 2017 at 5:45:13 PM

Honestly, you are really starting to sound like a manga purist at this point; just stop, no one cares at this point.

[up] The move is called Galaxy Breaker when it showed up in the Sega Saturn version of an old Dragon Ball fighting game, and that final ki blast against Beerus had his arms raised into the sky exactly like Future Trunks' Heat Dome Attack. So instead of Trunks taking Vegeta's moves, Vegeta is taking Trunks' moves.

edited 12th Jul '17 5:47:09 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#60803: Jul 12th 2017 at 5:46:38 PM

He's not really wrong, though.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60804: Jul 12th 2017 at 5:47:53 PM

Yes, they're nondescript blasts but Toyotarou will use the same pose/angle/blast shape as one used in the manga for some of the panels in his manga.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60805: Jul 12th 2017 at 5:48:04 PM

And you know what, this isn't the original manga, it never was the original manga, and it was never advertised as being like the original manga, so why does it even matter at this point?

edited 12th Jul '17 5:48:27 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#60806: Jul 12th 2017 at 5:48:15 PM

the very obvious trend of Toei having characters to continue using iconic 'signature' moves in a way that the manga didn't.

Zamasu having a similar technique doesn't mean Vegetto has to bring out the old move - especially not using it in the same damn way. I'm not seeing the turnabout in it, it's just a technique. No big deal, nothing special about it.

Why.

Why r u so contrarian?

It not even a thing like "the manga better, the anime better, the dub better." It not big epic battle of opinion.

It a scene of guy shoving big glowing thing into other guy.

How u not like?

This like saying fight between ninja and pirate not awesome because find those dings boring.

HOW BORING?

edited 12th Jul '17 5:48:54 PM by Soble

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#60807: Jul 12th 2017 at 5:49:22 PM

Well, if I'm being honest, I was hoping Vegetto would do something new...

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60808: Jul 12th 2017 at 5:49:36 PM

[up][up][up]Because it's worth criticizing anything that fails to capture the original feeling/spirit of the work it was based off.

You don't need to get so hostile over someone saying what they don't like about a thing.

[up][up] because it simultaneously manages to be unoriginal and not feel like the original. The very opposite of what I would want to see in new content. If I want to see Vegetto shove a ki sword in somebody I'll just read the manga.

edited 12th Jul '17 5:52:20 PM by Saiga

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#60809: Jul 12th 2017 at 6:04:10 PM

because it simultaneously manages to be unoriginal and not feel like the original.

I find that utterly ridiculous and excessively pessimistic, but I don't see any further point in trying to argue this. It's become Opinion Myopia for me at this point. I'll try my luck convincing someone that Dragonball GT wasn't terrible and that Tien is the manliest man in the whole cast.

You gun get yours one day Saiga. You need to watch yo'self. (I know you can't see it but I'm pointing two fingers at my eyes and pointing them back at the screen right now.)

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60810: Jul 12th 2017 at 6:09:30 PM

I don't see what's ridiculous or pessimistic about it. Please keep in mind that it's because the anime does this ''constantly'", it creates a very different tone.

If the anime didn't already have such a habit, then Vegetto's seen would feel more appropriate. As it is, it's just another example of a very obvious trend.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60811: Jul 12th 2017 at 6:30:34 PM

[up]

I think agreeing to disagree is the best thing here. I mean, nobody's getting anywhere by continuing this argument.

Also:

Pretty sure Vegeta wouldn't need to demand they leave him behind, because they'd probably just leave him there. He was nothing more than an ally of convenience in the end.

Also, I'm questioning if he'd really bother to learn Instant Transmission, though I do like the idea of him learning it.

I mean, while there are a lot of techniques in the series, barring Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb (the former of which was abandoned, and the latter of which was never allowed to actually work until the end of the series), only the ones Goku learns are ever useful.

...Ok, there's also the Solar Flare, which is still kicking butt to this day, but still.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#60812: Jul 12th 2017 at 7:40:26 PM

Hot Take: SSB Kaioken is the only good thing about Super Saiyan Blue.

Anyway I think it's kind of disingenuous to go "this move was only used once in the manga so why is it iconic?" as a comparison to Super since Super follows more off the Z anime, which I'm certain used some of those moves more than once.

edited 12th Jul '17 7:40:38 PM by Moth13

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60813: Jul 12th 2017 at 7:42:06 PM

I'm not asking why it's iconic, and I know the anime treated techniques the same way Super does. I'm critical of both for the same reason.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60814: Jul 12th 2017 at 7:43:38 PM

SSB Kaioken has the best aura effect though.

Also, does Kaioken, Kaio-ken, or Kaiōken look better?

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#60815: Jul 12th 2017 at 7:49:16 PM

I'm not asking why it's iconic

It's rhetorical.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#60816: Jul 12th 2017 at 8:14:23 PM

I feel like Super Saiyan Vegeta would have been a bigger villain than Frieza had he gotten the form first. Probably why I like the What If concept of it.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#60817: Jul 12th 2017 at 8:30:52 PM

I'm pretty sure that if Vegeta had turned Super Saiyan, Freeza still would have killed him.

My various fanfics.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60818: Jul 12th 2017 at 8:32:06 PM

Maybe. Maybe not. How strong was he after that last Krillin induced Zenkai?

Cause after adding a 50 times multiplier to that, we'd have our answer.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60819: Jul 12th 2017 at 8:34:31 PM

You say that as if Vegeta would have actually let Frieza have time to access his full power, because I honestly think he would have just beat the shit out of him right then and there, instead of whatever Goku was doing when he ascended.

edited 12th Jul '17 8:34:58 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#60820: Jul 12th 2017 at 8:46:16 PM

No, Vegeta would have absolutely let Freeza power up to 100 percent. Because he's Vegeta.

As for how strong Vegeta was: Not nearly strong enough, considering how much stronger Goku was than him.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60821: Jul 12th 2017 at 8:50:12 PM

Yeah, we've seen how Vegeta acts when he's high on becoming a Super Saiyan and/or thinks he's become the strongest there is. Letting Frieza power up completely would totally be up his ally.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60822: Jul 12th 2017 at 8:55:46 PM

I guess the question is, would Frieza then be stronger than him or not.

Honestly, Vegeta becoming a Super Saiyan, to me ends with Frieza dead much sooner, or both of them dying on Namek.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#60823: Jul 12th 2017 at 9:18:21 PM

@The argument that I had to step out of because I had math class: If anything, the ratio of unique/named attacks to generic ki blasts is MUCH higher in the (Ball/Z) manga than in the (Ball/Z) anime. The anime (aside from the movies) actually very RARELY had the characters repeat named or unique attacks, instead usually opting to just have them uselessly shoot a generic barrage of blasts.

Saiga isn't just wrong, he's saying the exact opposite of what's right.

edited 12th Jul '17 9:20:18 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60824: Jul 12th 2017 at 9:21:51 PM

Man, can we just go back to talking about....something other than if the Anime or Manga are "superior" plz.

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