Toriyama has done that before, going to the trouble of designing characters who were there just to be beat up by Goku.
One Strip! One Strip!The smart thing to do would be to secretly convince each team during the fight to purposely hold back so that each universe will have one fighter left on stage by the end, concluding things in a draw. But most Dragon Ball characters have fists for brains and no one's going to listen to Universe 7 but now anyway so so much for that. Or I guess the Omni-King or more likely the Grand Priest would flag everyone for sandbagging and force a sudden death round if that happened.
My Megaman and MegaTen RPG LiveblogsIf anything, the manga's approach of having Black be as strong as he is, then having Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan Rose on top of that as separate forms and tiers of power is just utter nonsense.
I wasn't talking about the manga.
For the anime, even if you assume base Black is just sandbagging when he gets beaten up by opponents that should be weaker than "Saiyan Beyond God" you still have things like base Black being able to overpower Blue Vegeta before he went Rose, and Rose Black struggling against pre-rage Trunks, etc
Toei are inconsistent enough with their power levels to account for Black's weirdness. To assume a placeholder transformation from Heroes still applies to Super is too much of a stretch to be proven, and it is never acknowledged within the show.
The 'two base theory' is just too unlikely to fit when the show doesn't explicitly use such a concept.
Black using Super Saiyan came from Toriyama's notes, so it doesn't look like he was envisioned as having a SBG state.
Frankly, I think that was what Toriyama had originally planned in ROF, but when he went on to create outlines for Super he decided to bring the old forms back and there isn't an in-universe explanation for the inconsistencies.
Going back to the universal erasure, I don't get why Beerus was all surprised by the Omni-kings doing it. He already knows about the other six universes he destroyed, and that was apparently just because of temper tantrum. This entire thing (ostensibly) has a point.
But, yeah, beyond this most likely not being permanent, I don't see this having a big big emotional impact on me.
Apathy to the multi-verse...
Affirmative.
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.In regards to all this confusion over Blue, I'd like to point out that the form's original name was Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan for a reason.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Both of those mean pretty much the exact same thing so it doesn't really matter.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Super Saiyan 2 is basically just Super Saiyan Super Saiyan. There's nothing illogical about it, it's just that the name sounds weird. That's why the name was changed to Super Saiyan Blue pretty quickly.
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That could be interpreted at him just being annoyed at them in general.
edited 9th Jul '17 10:32:25 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.Well, no. "This is a Super Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God" would mean the form is Super Saiyan, but the power behind it comes from Super Saiyan God. In other words, using Super Saiyan in order to manifest Super Saiyan God's power. A Super Saiyan God that has gone Super Saiyan implies something substantially more powerful, and Goku doesn't appear to be significantly stronger in ROF since he's still inferior to Beerus.
That's because SSJB is neither "SSJ with the power of SSJG" or "the SSJ of SSJG". The way I see it, Super Saiyan has a multiple paths of evolution, but only 1 true path.
For years we've been taught that it was "SSJ > SSJ2 > SSJ3" with Ascended forms, Legendary and SSJ4 being off-shoots. Now that Super's been a thing for a couple of years now, it threw our perception of Super Saiyan out the window! Analyzing DBS for a while now, I believe that the following evolution line is the TRUE one for Super Saiyan:
Super Saiyan > Super Saiyan 2 > Super Saiyan Rage > Super Saiyan Blue
Yes, I believe that Super Saiyan 3 is an off-shoot form and not a true evolution of Super Saiyan 2. First off, Goku achieved the form while training for 7 years in the afterlife. Much like the Hyperbolic Time Chamber training, it gave him enough time to manipulate SSJ beyond the brink, this time without the loss of stamina since he was already dead, but SSJ3 was NOT achieved through rage like the previous forms. Super Saiyan Rage WAS achieved through rage past SSJ2, which should make it the Super Saiyan of Super Saiyan 2. And if you remember, Rage has a slightly blue aura, just like SSJB.
If you're wondering where Super Saiyan God is, I believe that it's an off-shoot form, but one that is somewhat important like Full Power SSJ. The form introduced us to the level of godhood that Blue also has, and while God isn't as powerful as Blue, it does have it's unique self-regen ability that makes it seem less a Super Saiyan form and more of a Godly form.
Now back to the SSJ evolution, I believe that Rage leads into Blue due to it having some traces of godly ki in it's aura. Through enough training, a Saiyan could theoretically gain god ki without the need of a ritual (AKA Vegeta), and Rage seems like the last key before reach godhood without 5 other Saiyans. Remember, Blue is supposed to be the form of a calm ki, which is the opposite of 1, 2 and Rage's breaking points. I guess Vegeta skipped Rage because he just wants to get ahead of Goku and his God form.
Super Saiyan 1, 2 and Rage are the results of a furious emotion and Blue is the gift of nirvana that is rewarded to any Saiyan who reaches that level. Super Saiyan God is a similar form to Blue, but instead of training and rage it is obtained by ritual, which is why the form is super magical yet not as strong as Blue. God is pretty much pure God Ki, while Blue is the Super Saiyan made with God Ki.
At least, that's what I got from watching DBS for the last few years.
I mean. I still don't think it's entirely clear whether the Super Saiyan multiplier affects the base natural ki or the godly ki or both, or how separate the two ki are.
Like, Krillin and the others could sense Goku before Super Saiyan Blue but not after, so even when Goku's in Saiyan Beyond God he apparently isn't in full Godly Ki mode or whatever.
Well, as far as the anime goes, since they removed the bit about Beerus using 70% of his power against Goku, they very well could have changed the mechanics of Super Saiyan Blue as well. Considering that Super seems to be going for "Goku/Vegeta get ridiculously stronger but still fall short of Beerus". I wouldn't be surprised. Obviously, that doesn't mean this is actually what's happening though.

It helps that the character designs for the various teams are fantastic, as well as that the character animation and dialogue for the U9 fighters was great, really humanizing them in such a short amount of screentime. The little bunny girl already has a fanbase post-mortem, despite having less than a minute of total screentime, just because she was cute and quirky with a great design.
Not to mention that they're avoiding just making the fighters evil, which was a thought of mine; that U9 was so desperate that they scraped together a team by recruiting a bunch of villains. By not having these fighters be bad people, they're emphasising that they're fighting to survive and save everyone they know and love and they didn't deserve this fate.
The heaviest part is that the Universe's destructions are going to be spaced throughout the tournament. For every 1-3 episodes of awesome battle royal action, we're getting 1 episode where an entire universe of innocent people is erased from existence, including all the fighters and gods from that universe in the tournament. The sheer enormity and repetitiousness of such a horrendous act is going to be devastating over the long-term.