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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60651: Jul 9th 2017 at 1:06:28 PM

But who would create a rule like that in the first place? Seriously, more than half of the things introduced in this series need an actual explanation of some kind.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60652: Jul 9th 2017 at 1:35:22 PM

Of course Saiyan Beyond God is a thing. Goku Black's strength when he's not Rose would make absolutely no sense whatsoever if it wasn't.

Goku Black's strength already makes no sense.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60653: Jul 9th 2017 at 1:37:24 PM

I'm already missing the Trio De Dangers and the rest of the U9 team. They seemed like good people who went through hardship and came out of it strong. They didn't deserve their fate.

[up]Why not? He's just evil Goku in terms of strength. Unless you're referring to the manga, which is a clusterfuck.

edited 9th Jul '17 1:39:06 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#60654: Jul 9th 2017 at 1:45:31 PM

That was a crazy episode! That barrier form is pretty neat, though I wonder how Goku and Vegeta can breath with that on. The fights were pretty neat too, and despite how shitty Universe 9 is, I still felt bad when they were erased.

Now to wait for next week, Krillin and 18 vs Jium the Bird and Smug Shousa!

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60655: Jul 9th 2017 at 1:50:55 PM

The manga is less of a clusterfuck than the anime, which has Goku Black seemingly unable to use any of the interim SS forms (while Goku can no trouble), not really matching Goku's strength in any way and having really inconsistent showings (especially against characters like Trunks).

It's more like anime Black doesn't stand out because everyone's strength is confusing, inconsistent and unexplained in the anime.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60656: Jul 9th 2017 at 1:54:35 PM

What do you mean? Black only used two forms the entire time: Saiyan Beyond God, which was slightly stronger than Super Saiyan 3, and Super Saiyan Rose, which is just Super Saiyan 1 combined with Saiyan Beyond God, same as Super Saiyan Blue, except it looked different because of Zamasu's soul.

If anything, the manga's approach of having Black be as strong as he is, then having Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan Rose on top of that as separate forms and tiers of power is just utter nonsense.

edited 9th Jul '17 1:59:42 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60657: Jul 9th 2017 at 2:01:06 PM

Saiga, Black showed off Super Saiyan, and possibly Super Saiyan 2, in the manga against Vegeta. It's the anime that only gave him Rosé.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#60658: Jul 9th 2017 at 2:11:00 PM

How is Goku responsible for Nappa and Vegeta coming to Earth? They came because Piccolo decided to gloat to Raditz about the Dragon Balls.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60659: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:06:52 PM

[up]

That was a few pages back, but ok.

I was mostly joking, but if Raditz had never come to Earth looking for Goku in the first place, then There never would have been a situation where Vegeta and Nappa learned about the Dragonballs and came looking for them.

One Strip! One Strip!
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#60660: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:13:35 PM

That's not Goku's fault. He didn't choose to go to Earth. He couldn't choose to go to Earth.

That's Bardock's fault.

Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#60661: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:26:20 PM

I never saw the two sagas, but wow the animation is horrendous. Super became more tolerable after that. Also, dub Frieza is precious.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60662: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:28:56 PM

I swear the banter really makes up for the lackluster animation & art.

[up][up] Yeah Goku is not responsible for something he had no say on the matter. The blame should fall on the guy who sent him there in the first place.

edited 9th Jul '17 3:29:21 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60663: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:34:56 PM

You know, Rob occasionally likes to beat the dead horse of "Bulma should make powered armor", but I just remembered that she's actually created something just as powerful as he hopes powered armor would be. Remember the force field from the beginning of the Future Trunks arc that was able to contain SS2 Goku and SS2 Trunks' battle?

Let me put that into perspective: if Super Perfect Cell came back during the tournament, Bulma would be able to contain him within that force field effortlessly, and he wouldn't be able to break out. Bulma has access to technology that can defeat and imprison any villain in the series up to Buu. That's assuming she didn't make any improvements to it since the Future Trunks arc, and this is Bulma, so of course she would've.

edited 9th Jul '17 3:41:46 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Gehayadren Bad Movie Binge Collector from A Garbage Fire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#60664: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:43:20 PM

Frieza looks like he trying to hold something in, while he has the face of someone after snorting cocaine.

Ha ha ha. What a story, Mark.
Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#60665: Jul 9th 2017 at 3:59:25 PM

Holy shit, early Super animation was even worse than I remembered. surprised

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60666: Jul 9th 2017 at 4:05:21 PM

So wait, the dub explained Super Saiyan Blue as both using Super Saiyan God without needing the ritual, and as a Saiyan who achieved Super Saiyan God, is now at that same level of power on their own, and that this is the Super Saiyan level of that. Did anyone catch that?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60667: Jul 9th 2017 at 4:08:50 PM

[up] I did though I still can't understand it.

Why couldn't they say Blue is just an ascended God form? Why can't they keep it simple?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60668: Jul 9th 2017 at 4:12:46 PM

The explanation is simple enough, they just went Super Saiyan God again (based on the original feeling for Goku and...something else, I guess for Vegeta?) and Blue is basically the Super Saiyan form of that.

Now, whether that's how the Japanese version explained it, I don't know.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#60669: Jul 9th 2017 at 4:16:25 PM

It's pretty damn disturbing that the most powerful beings in the Dragonball multiverse and the powers that be are sociopathic

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60670: Jul 9th 2017 at 4:32:58 PM

You know, I don't ever cry at sad things, but I might tear up when it comes time for U6 to be destroyed.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60671: Jul 9th 2017 at 4:33:50 PM

Man, you are really taking this hard.

edited 9th Jul '17 4:34:20 PM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60672: Jul 9th 2017 at 5:00:15 PM

It was a very powerful and well-directed moment. Assuming the next six times are just as powerful, this might be the most tragic and heartbreaking arc of the series, especially since they're probably going to be spaced out at regular intervals throughout the arc. Hell, just U9's erasure by itself was fuckin' horrifying and sad.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60673: Jul 9th 2017 at 5:03:04 PM

Because, it ultimately leads to the problem of why you would design all of these characters, if you're just going to kill 90% of them off in the same arc they're introduced in.

[up]x5 Except you also had Roshi and King Kai say that Goku just found a way to use Super Saiyan God on his own, before having Goku himself explain it as basically having the power of Super Saiyan God in your base state and then going Super Saiyan on top of that; basically going Super Saiyan as a Super Saiyan God. Which in and of itself doesn't really flow with how it was originally described in the original dub, as simply "a Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God as a Super Saiyan;" this makes it sound like it could be either a Saiyan with the power of a Super Saiyan God going Super Saiyan, or as a Saiyan who has the power of a Super Saiyan God as a Super Saiyan, basically making Super Saiyan a conduit for the godly power.

edited 9th Jul '17 5:05:41 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60674: Jul 9th 2017 at 5:04:28 PM

Every universe will be wished back, so I don't see why anyone is concerned.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#60675: Jul 9th 2017 at 5:24:17 PM

Did they scream?

If they don't scream, it won't be worth it.

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