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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#6026: Apr 5th 2014 at 7:48:27 AM

This is true.

I've always just kinda been on the fence about how powerful everyone (especially the villains) got. I keep wondering if escalating things in that way was the best choice for the series. I still love a lot of the fights, but still.

Edit: I've seen some talk about Goku's mom on Scans Daily.

They don't like that she's not a fighter in a race known for fighters. I'm kinda with them on that.

edited 5th Apr '14 9:50:39 AM by HandsomeRob

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#6027: Apr 5th 2014 at 10:48:04 AM

Super Saiyan God is crazy broken because of the power retention.

The movie even demonstrates that you can get another God powerup after retaining the power from your first one, amplifying your power even further, so basically, every time they do the ritual, it permanently increases your power.

They should just keep doing it.

Super Saiyan 4 is powerful, but it doesn't have an Infinite Power hack programmed into it.

edited 5th Apr '14 10:48:40 AM by TobiasDrake

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#6028: Apr 5th 2014 at 11:42:20 AM

That would be a good idea actually. It would definitely let them keep up with Bils level enemies when they reach the limits of training.....

Is that thing in Dragon Ball Online where you can use the balls to wish to be a Super Saiyan something that's actually possible?

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#6029: Apr 5th 2014 at 11:46:21 AM

iirc thats partly possible cause by then all people on earth have traces of Saiyan DNA.

kinda lolsy excuse,but i think it'd be possible to wish without that detail,to be honest.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#6030: Apr 5th 2014 at 11:58:02 AM

.....

Holy shit. The saiyans got busy it seems. 0_0

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#6031: Apr 5th 2014 at 12:07:41 PM

To be fair, the main character, i.e. the player, is from a few thousand years into the future from the main time era of the game, so it's entirely possible that the Saiyan gene spread over that time period.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#6033: Apr 5th 2014 at 2:09:03 PM

Saiyan genes must be really dominant. I guess that would explain the strong family resemblance a lot of their descendants have.

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6034: Apr 5th 2014 at 2:26:35 PM

[up] Well if what happened with Goku Jr can be taken seriously, it doesn't matter how diluted the blood of a Saiyan is, all you need is a little Saiyan DNA and to get pretty pissed off and *BOOM*... Super Saiyan. smile

By the way, to view more detailed information of Goku's official Saiyan childhood here the link: Dragon Ball Minus. I only got one word for this: Re-re-re-rectons!

edited 5th Apr '14 2:27:32 PM by FireShadow

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#6035: Apr 5th 2014 at 2:36:54 PM

That's bullshit in and off itself though. Goku Jr. is...what, 1/16th of a Saiyan at most and all it takes for him to transform is seeing a bunch of bear cubs get hurt? I call bullshit.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#6036: Apr 5th 2014 at 2:39:12 PM

if it wasnt for Pan,i'd say that the less Saiyan you are,the easier it is to reach Super Saiyan.

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6037: Apr 5th 2014 at 3:21:56 PM

[up] It's a double edged sword though. While you can supposedly become a Super Saiyan much easier, you power level as a Super Saiyan would be very low. For example, take Goku Jr, who was rarely had a fight or battle early on in his life, his power level would be like ~300:

300 x 50 (Multiplier a Super Saiyan transformation provides to the base form) = 15,000

Seriously, with a power level like that, Krillin could curb stomp Goku Jr. smile

edited 5th Apr '14 3:23:50 PM by FireShadow

alEKos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#6038: Apr 5th 2014 at 4:28:07 PM

maybe humans find it easier to reach that "pure" point than Saiyans,who are natural fighters.

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6039: Apr 5th 2014 at 4:36:18 PM

[up] Yeah, the series has always hinted to the fact that Saiyan/Human hybrids can become pure Super Saiyan's quicker because they contain the perfect mixture of pure emotion (Being half a Human) and pure strength (Being half a Saiyan).

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#6040: Apr 5th 2014 at 5:33:23 PM

So we've finally met Goku's mother.

She does possess an unusual allure, but she looks almost.. chibi. Something about Minus's art style bugs me, it's reminds me of Episode of Bardock.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#6041: Apr 5th 2014 at 8:08:29 PM

Information about Dragon Ball Minus is interesting. Retcons the hell out of the Bardock special which in some ways is a good thing.

I like the explanation of Freeza ordering the Saiyans to get back to Planet Vegeta, rather than trying to send people off world to exterminate them. It better explains how a select few slipped through the cracks.

edited 5th Apr '14 8:09:51 PM by Saiga

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#6042: Apr 5th 2014 at 9:02:34 PM

How about the fact that Goku being sent to Earth at the age of three retcons him both being found as a baby by Grandpa Gohan, and his battle with Raditz being their first real meeting with each other even though he lived with his parents for three years, so Raditz at the very least should have interacted with his brother at least once.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#6043: Apr 5th 2014 at 10:32:31 PM

Oh, there is actually one thing it retcons from the manga. This makes Goku 13 in the first arc (3, then 10 years pass in Jaco) instead of 12. Unless it's not 10 full years and he's just yet to turn 13 (but in the manga, he's still 12 in the 21st Budokai arc where he should be 13 anyway...).

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6044: Apr 6th 2014 at 3:05:26 AM

[up][up] I doubt Raditz would have given two shits about Goku. I mean the first thing Raditz did when he came to earth was attack Goku's best friend and then kidnap his son. Besides most Saiyans from an early age begin going on mission, so I doubt they would find the time for family bonding.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#6045: Apr 6th 2014 at 3:21:56 AM

Another retcon from the manga - the reason Goku is sent to Earth is different. In Dragon Ball Minus, he's sent there by Bardock illegally because Bardock is suspicious of Freeza. It was just a normal mission (to wipe out Earth) in the manga. Given how well known the original reason is that's a big thing to change.

alEKos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#6046: Apr 6th 2014 at 3:27:59 AM

Saiyan kids must have amazing memory capabilities.

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6047: Apr 6th 2014 at 6:02:14 AM

[up][up] Well Toriyama probably changed the reason he got sent to Earth because he wanted it to be somewhat less similar to Superman's back story. tongue

But in all seriousness, yes, it is a big change to Goku's back story. But it's nothing that a rebooted Dragon Ball anime wouldn't fix. wink

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#6048: Apr 6th 2014 at 8:05:54 AM

Dragonball won't get a rebooted anime.

It followed the Manga too closely (even with the filler).

Most manga that get more than one anime have it either because the anime was different from the manga, or because said anime was forced to end before the manga did.

Dragonball managed to avoid that somehow.

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#6049: Apr 6th 2014 at 8:51:34 AM

Saiyan genes must be really dominant. I guess that would explain the strong family resemblance a lot of their descendants have.

I wouldn't say so. I mean, you have to make a wish upon a magical dragon to activate your ability to become a Super Saiyan; it cannot be done naturally. By contrast, Goten and Trunks were doing it at 7.

That's no more an example of Saiyan genes being incredibly dominant than Garlic Jr. demonstrating his race's incredible propensity for becoming immortal. The Saiyan blood has diluted pretty significantly.

edited 6th Apr '14 8:52:57 AM by TobiasDrake

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FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6050: Apr 6th 2014 at 2:40:34 PM

What do you guys think of the new opening and ending of Dragon Ball Kai 2014?

Pretty cool don't you think? Just makes the fact that we won't ever get a Dragon Ball reboot with this kind of animation even more heart breaking... sad


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