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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60451: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:19:54 PM

Because I'm still invested in this franchise.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60452: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:21:03 PM

I don't think that's semantics.

And as far as I'm concerned, if making them relevant again isn't done in a way that actually makes sense, then it isn't better. And if they can't think of ways to do that, it's better to just leave them alone or give them non-battle related stories.

Bad writing isn't doing the characters a favor, assuming you actually think characters are owed anything in the first place.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60453: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:22:40 PM

[up] x 7 I can buy that.

It wouldn't be to out of the blue that someone over there has an issue with the woman being the strongest person in the relationship not the man.

Things can still be pretty sexist over there.

edited 6th Jul '17 2:23:36 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60454: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:23:10 PM

It is phenomenally petty, and Power Levels are 100% semantics, and this is coming from a guy who loves playing with them.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60456: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:26:22 PM

How is it petty?

And just because power levels and relative strength are ultimately determined by the writers doesn't mean people should just blindly accept wild changes with the most cursory justifications, if even that.

By that logic people shouldn't complain about any writing choices, ever.

edited 6th Jul '17 2:28:14 PM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60457: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:27:28 PM

[up][up]I usually do.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60458: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:30:05 PM

We need a new topic...Super Saiyan God is a multiplier of several hundred billion; discuss.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#60459: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:31:55 PM

Given that divine ki and mortal ki are two different things, I would think that Super Saiyan God more just shifts the power levels into imaginary numbers. tongue

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60460: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:32:01 PM

Seems a little too much, to be honest.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60461: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:32:49 PM

That's meant to be a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised.

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Searching
#60462: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:32:52 PM

beloved side characters
lol wut

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60463: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:38:03 PM

[up][up] I mean, Goku was raised up to potential universe-buster levels from a base form that probably requires at least Super Saiyan to destroy a solar system; the energy required would actually need God to be a multiplier beyond the trillions for it to actually make any mathematical sense.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60464: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:38:21 PM

[up][up] Aren't they beloved?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#60465: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:39:20 PM

[up][up][up]Sorry, the posters here simply forgot that nobody in existence has opinions that differ from yours.

edited 6th Jul '17 2:39:29 PM by MightyMatilda

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60466: Jul 6th 2017 at 2:44:26 PM

I think most people are fine with whatever. Getting them involved is cool, but if not, that's also cool. And even then I think that's really mostly about Tenshinhan in Krillin.

People just like making fun of Yamcha too much that I actually wouldn't be surprised if there was real backlash (and not just some of us bitching over the internet) about it he got more than something like that baseball episode, people barely even remember that Chiaotzu exists, and I think most people just took Rosh being retired as a given.

edited 6th Jul '17 2:45:00 PM by LSBK

MonsieurThenardier Searching from Murika Since: Nov, 2016 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Searching
#60467: Jul 6th 2017 at 3:12:57 PM

[up][up] Aren't they beloved?
Generally, no.

"It is very easy to be kind; the difficulty lies in being just."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60468: Jul 6th 2017 at 3:34:03 PM

I just hate it that some people are angry at a show for daring to make long-ignored and beloved side characters relevant again, and their anger is 100% based in semantics.

If its not done in a meaningful and well thought way, then what's the point? If you don't care about that and you just like seeing your (this is important) beloved characters again, then good for you. Your line of thought is basically "stop disliking what I like" even if said "dislike" is rooted with actual facts and evidence within the setting we're criticizing. The fact that you're trying to justify your like by saying the series has "always been this way" is ridiculous. It's the embodiment of childish.

Also, stop assuming that everyone, or at least a significant portion of people, wanted this to happen. I was perfectly content with these characters being pushed to the side (barring Gohan, but that's another issue entirely) because they had long since served their narrative purpose and had no real place anymore in the story's setting. And I'm sure the same is true for many other people too.

edited 6th Jul '17 3:35:52 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60469: Jul 6th 2017 at 3:58:19 PM

We need Drunk Uncle Handsome Rob to break up the tension.

Psssh! If you guys think you're worth getting drunk over, than y'all overestimate yourselves!cool

...Well, nothing much more to add to this discussion. I kinda wish Power Levels had never gotten so high in the first place. I am just gonna try and enjoy seeing others do stuff, even if I think it's being executed poorly, etc.

One Strip! One Strip!
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#60470: Jul 6th 2017 at 4:18:49 PM

What even relevance power levels have these days?

Does it matter at all anymore?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60471: Jul 6th 2017 at 4:28:42 PM

Well, they are no longer referenced...and now that I think about it, even before they became important, they was always a wide gap between the humans and Goku...

...so...wow, power levels were never to blame.

....huh...

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60472: Jul 6th 2017 at 4:30:52 PM

Yeah, duh. The numerical readings are only a representation of the tiering that existed since day one, and the escalation has always been present.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60473: Jul 6th 2017 at 4:34:07 PM

Rob, your problem sounds less like you dislike power levels and more the structure of the series has rendered everyone but Goku effectively ineffectual in the face of a threat. There's a difference.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60474: Jul 6th 2017 at 4:37:17 PM

For some reason people have always pinned the various issues they've had with power escalation and character relative power on the numerical power levels. It makes no sense but people keep doing it.

edited 6th Jul '17 4:38:45 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60475: Jul 6th 2017 at 4:37:46 PM

So, my issue has never been with Power Levels, but with the tiering that placed Goku at the top, and everyone else at last place under every possible circumstance.

...

If it's all the same to you, I'm just gonna keep finding this funny, though for different reasons than I used to.

Looking back, I should go back to my attitude that Goku being the biggest dog in the yard at almost every opportunity is pretty accurate for a Journey to the West based story.

As I understand it, it wasn't just Xuhuzang(sp) who was useless. Everybody in that party but Wu Kong got whooped and needed to be saved by him.

And the Saiyans are pretty much all expies of the of Son Wu Kong, so they inherit his hax.

...Alright. Back to just enjoying it without caring about consistency. It'd be nice, but what can you do?

edited 6th Jul '17 4:38:20 PM by HandsomeRob

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