Eh, yeah, but that was pretty brief, and they were both part of a group at the time. I want to see another one-on-one between them.
Ooh, or Gohan vs. Caulifla! Given the fact that Caulifla just recently reached Super Saiyan 2, it'd be interesting to see her go against the first Saiyan to ever achieve that. Plus, Caulifla's fiery personality kind of reminds me of the way Videl was when she and Gohan first started dating.
No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!The irony burns...
But anyway, I think you're missing the point. No one has said what happens in Super, isn't true for Super. What has been argued is that what Super does is stupid for very well explained and discussed reasons.
I'll take your accusations of falsely maligning it seriously when you can actually back what you say up in a way we can't easily refute in two seconds.
edited 6th Jul '17 1:50:25 PM by LSBK
That's not been true at least since like when Goku drank Divine Water. Ever since then Goku could take on enemies that humans had no chance against even all put together. I'd call that being in a different league.
What irony, pray tell?
On "no-one is denying the current strength of the humans".
Quoth Rob, last page:
"Also, being able to fight 18 in training in no way means he's now as strong as she is. No human can get that strong (he topped out at 75,000 I think post Namek).
It's been shown time and time again that no matter how hard the humans train, they are never anywhere near strong enough to be a factor in the battles. Their techniques are useless, and only the saiyans have both the power and skill to stand up to enemies."
Sure sounded like denying the current strength of the humans when I first made the argument. In hindsight, it can be interpreted other ways, and I may have been a bit hasty in interpreting it this way.
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The irony of you screaming about people trying to silence you and ignoring facts while trying to silence anyone who disagrees with you and ignoring facts that hurt your argument. Like you often do, in fact.
I don't know the context of Rob's words, but (with no disrespect to Rob) he tends to be melodramatic. I'm assuming he's talking in relation to the rest of Dragon Ball and applying it to Super. Something I think is a mistake by the way, a mistake you're also guilty off.
Even if Super is a continuation of Dragon Ball, it's not being written the same way, and the old standards don't apply. This should be obvious, Dragon Ball was written by one person, the Super anime is written by several people with a rough outlet of the plots.
If you like or don't care about the inconsistencies in Super, that's fine. We all probably have things like that. Just don't try and claim those inconsistencies have always been a part of Dragon Ball, because they haven't. While by no means perfect, Toriyama was a lot more consistent with things than people give him credit for, and certainly more so than the Super anime.
edited 6th Jul '17 2:04:56 PM by LSBK
That's simple. Rob is using the internal logic of the manga, because Super's internal logic, if it has any at all, is too insane to be understood.
And unless I'm mistaken, he's not saying that Kuririn won't be able to do anything, just that he shouldn't be able to by the precedent set by the manga. Which is a criticism of using him this way.
Oh yeah, there's also another thing I missed.
That's just demonstrably not true. Through the entire run when numerical power levels were used, we can see that every time both Goku and Krillin increased their strength the gap between them widened, going from mere 2x in Goku's favor when Raditz arrived to a whooping 40x during Freeza fight. Literally the opposite of what you claim.
I think Toriyama or someone else just really dislikes the idea of Krillin's wife being stronger than him. Even when she was, she conveniently never got into fights. Hence "get back in the kitchen" in ROF.
edited 6th Jul '17 2:11:29 PM by MonsieurThenardier
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I was going to type out a long thing about how I wasn't factoring in Power Levels, just the circumstances surrounding the characters and their actions, but I replaced it with the post where I tried to end this conversation last page.
And I was referring to the Tenkaichi Budokais there.
edited 6th Jul '17 2:14:59 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
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Something can have shitty writing and still be entertaining to watch. A lot of the fights themselves (when they're not skimping on the animation) are actually pretty cool, I think, and I am looking forward to the tournament for that reason, and out of genuine curiosity of how the larger problem of the universes being destroyed is going to be resolved.
But I can't just turn off my brain to things like this. If the inconsistencies don't bother your or Pushover that's fine. My issue is specifically with him claiming there either are no inconsistencies, or if there are the ones we're talking about were also present in the original manga, when it's been explained over and over why that isn't the case.
edited 6th Jul '17 2:19:02 PM by LSBK
I watch it specifically because it doesn't give a crap. Female Broly? Frieza coming back twice? Evil Goku? Vegetto Blue? Sure why not.
This song needs more love.

...Ok. I can jive with that.
I also agree that this conversation is boring, so I'm gonna say Zel wins and that we find something else to talk about.
One Strip! One Strip!