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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#60251: Jul 5th 2017 at 1:04:19 AM

The law of the universe said Zamasu is immortal.

Destroying Zamasu's unstable body doesn't make that rule go away, but destroying the universe that decrees that rule does. tongue

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60252: Jul 5th 2017 at 1:06:36 AM

Future Trunks' spirits sword attack is definitely the most modern anime thing ever in DB.

Its rather interesting, it doesn't feel like a DB moment.

edited 5th Jul '17 1:09:09 AM by slimcoder

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60253: Jul 5th 2017 at 1:07:10 AM

I'm not faulting Trunks at all. I'm pointing out how inaccurate it is to say that he won when he failed.

And I don't think there can be adequate build up for his sword. It's so illogical and ill-fitting that more time spent on it would just make a plot tumour of it.

[up] Yeah, exactly. It's very out of place.

edited 5th Jul '17 1:07:33 AM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60254: Jul 5th 2017 at 1:11:44 AM

True. Trunks using his Ki to replace the blade on his regular sword, and then using the energy of everyone on the planet to create a super blade isn't something we've ever seen out of the series.

Then again, hardly anyone in DBZ fights with weapons (and even in DB, the only one ever worth a damn was Goku's Nyoibo) so no one has ever tried it before.

I might like it because it reminds me of Kuwabara's Spirit / Dimension Sword.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60255: Jul 5th 2017 at 1:14:10 AM

Fighting with weapons is already very un-DB because we've seen that they're not very effective

Fighting with Super weapons made of ki and strengthened by everyone's hope is incredibly un-DB and the reason why we don't see people try is because it's not-DB

I like stuff like online talking about Goten/Trunks developing techniques to channel ki into weaponry but that would feel quite jarring in the main series

edited 5th Jul '17 1:14:53 AM by Saiga

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60256: Jul 5th 2017 at 1:14:51 AM

There's just something about it, I can't place my finger on it- God.

Its like, its like, its like- fuck I can't properly explain it, shit.

Its like.... uhhhhh something out of SAO or something like that I guess. (shrugs)

[up] At least when the Spirit Bomb its used, its after everyone is told to give up their energy instead of it being a random moment with most of the party unaware of what's going on.

edited 5th Jul '17 1:16:03 AM by slimcoder

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60258: Jul 5th 2017 at 1:28:00 AM

@Rob: I'd just like to remind you that Future Trunks is about 30 years old during that saga. Calling him "kid" is rather inaccurate.

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#60259: Jul 5th 2017 at 2:35:49 AM

@ Trunks spirit sword, no one complained when Vegeto did it with his finger and skewered Buu...

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#60260: Jul 5th 2017 at 2:54:59 AM

It's different in use...

But more less memorable...

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60261: Jul 5th 2017 at 3:04:25 AM

probably because vegetto didn't do that

but instead did something totally different

edited 5th Jul '17 3:04:40 AM by Saiga

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60262: Jul 5th 2017 at 3:07:14 AM

The Spirit Sword & the Ki Sword are very different both in usage & the context when it is used.

edited 5th Jul '17 3:10:03 AM by slimcoder

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#60263: Jul 5th 2017 at 4:35:00 AM

Trunks spirit sword moment felt like something out of JRPG... completely with the villain having yet another form.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60265: Jul 5th 2017 at 5:26:08 AM

Trunks channeling his ki into his sword was fine. It was nice to have more ki based moves besides generic energy waves for once and it didn't feel too out of place.

Trunks suddenly being able to use the Spirit Bomb, and channeling it into his sword while prattling on about hope is when it got ridiculous.

Wouldn't have been too bad with proper execution, but then it still feels pretty out of place in Dragon Ball. In this sense, I prefer the manga since while it's not as thematically satisfying...still Feels very much like Dragon Ball.

But yea, Super is flawed...very flawed.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60266: Jul 5th 2017 at 5:27:39 AM

I'm pretty sure the Genki Dama thing is just fanon that everyone quickly adopted because it's the only thing that makes even the smallest amount of sense in that scenario.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60267: Jul 5th 2017 at 5:28:52 AM

I dislike Trunks having his sword back in the first place after it stopped being used in the manga once it broke. It's clearly there for the iconic factor than anything else.

Him having the Z Sword in his flashback was sensible and a better way to fit the iconic image. He didn't need a new one after that.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60268: Jul 5th 2017 at 6:08:46 AM

If nothing else, his sword at least gives a more distinctive fighting style than everyone else.

It would have been more sensible just to have the Z sword however

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#60269: Jul 5th 2017 at 6:11:33 AM

But then that would need to break to release Old Kai.

They never fixed the original Z sword either.

I guess that, outside of the Nyoibo, Toriyama just isn't a weapons guy. That's the only one that was ever useful in the long term.

Why did Trunks even have a sword anyway? Was it just to make him look cool?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60270: Jul 5th 2017 at 6:19:07 AM

Thanks to Inverse Law of Utility and Lethality, that does less to differentiate him and more to limit him. The sword doesn't change his fighting style in a meaningful way, anyhow. It'd take really diving into the concept of channeling ki into weapons, giving it its own advantages and disadvantages to make something of it.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60271: Jul 5th 2017 at 6:38:40 AM

And what's wrong with the latter? I never said it was done well, but I like the concept of it.

Trunks sword style has never really been explored, but I still prefer him with it than without.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#60272: Jul 5th 2017 at 6:39:52 AM

I agree with that. I wish him having a sword had had more of a point.

Perhaps he thought having a weapon would give him an edge in fights with the androids somehow.

T'is a shame Power Levels rule everything in this series.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60273: Jul 5th 2017 at 6:40:38 AM

Well, the latter wasn't done lol

But also, it's one of those things that feels out of place in DB. DB's pretty weird with its techniques, which might be seen as a flaw, but expanding upon that in a way that feels appropriate and doesn't raise further questions is not something I see happening.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60274: Jul 5th 2017 at 6:56:42 AM

It feeling out of place isn't necessarily a bad thing though right?

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#60275: Jul 5th 2017 at 7:53:51 AM

Actualllllllly, using swords as weapons is very DB by default because they are used in DB.


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