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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60226: Jul 4th 2017 at 9:38:01 PM

Yeah, constantly giving us hope for other characters then yanking the rug out from under us is really annoying.

At this point, you really shouldn't hope for your favourite character to be relevant in any way if they ain't Goku and Vegeta.

Though 17 and 18 aren't doing too bad so far it seems.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#60227: Jul 4th 2017 at 9:49:22 PM

1 min has passed in the tournament, can we at least give it 5 before we declare 70% of U7 useless.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60228: Jul 4th 2017 at 9:59:56 PM

Ummm... Gohan is in the same league as Vegeta and his dad. At least as much as Trunks was the last arc. That was kind of the entire point of him training with Piccolo before the tournament. Also, again, saying that teamwork is just being used as an excuse to make Gohan's group not matter and stay on the sidelines is just bullshit. It's been one episode. For all we know, Goku and Vegeta are beaten early and Gohan's group goes on to beat everyone else in the tournament spectacularly using glorious teamwork and combo moves.

You can't make predictions about the outcome of an entire arc based solely on a single episode and a cynical outlook on the future. Remember that it wasn't Goku, Vegeta, or Vegetto who defeated Fused Zamasu last arc, it was Trunks. Zen-Oh just cleaned up afterward.

edited 4th Jul '17 10:00:39 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60229: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:01:34 PM

[up][up]...Honestly no.

Lets be frank, these guys become useless pretty quickly. I actually don't think it's premature to be concerned about them falling into their usual role because someone (whether it be Toei or Toriyama) might toss them under the bus once again to prop up The Hero and The Rival.

Edit:

For all we know, Goku and Vegeta are beaten early and Gohan's group goes on to beat everyone else in the tournament spectacularly using glorious teamwork and combo moves.

That's not really going to happen. I admit, I hope the teamwork strategy pays off more than we all expect, but we gotta be ready for the reality that is predictability.

edited 4th Jul '17 10:03:05 PM by HandsomeRob

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60230: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:03:21 PM

I mean, I don't imagine that they'll do nothing. They'll each be given a moment or two to shine, but whether that moment makes sense is another matter, and even the context of what's going on, it'll be made clear which contributions were most important, and it won't be this group's, except maybe Gohan against Hit or something.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#60231: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:04:16 PM

Well enjoy your cynicism I guess? Least you won't be disappointed lol.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60232: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:05:28 PM

The series needs to give us a reason to think it won't just be pargely repeating its own patterns

[up] there's a lot of value in that

edited 4th Jul '17 10:05:58 PM by Saiga

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60233: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:06:39 PM

Trunks beat Fused Zamasu. Not Goku, not Vegeta, not Vegetto. Trunks.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60234: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:07:48 PM

[up] Indeed.

I find myself forgetting that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#60235: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:09:57 PM

I reject the notion that Goku and Vegeta will be the only relevant U7 members.

Frieza will probably do something.

This song needs more love.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60236: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:11:21 PM

I wouldn't call it cynicism when similar things keep happening. I don't particularly fault them for it either, Goku and Vegeta should be able to do a lot more than the others, so it makes sense for it to be written as such.

They'd just be better of acknowledging that and relegating the others to slice-of-life stuff (which is legitimately enjoyable) and stop pretending that "catching up" or contributing in just as meaningful ways as those two is something that's actually possible for most of them.

edited 4th Jul '17 10:12:22 PM by LSBK

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60237: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:15:01 PM

Trunks only defeated Zamasu in an arbitrary, shallow meaning of the word. He didn't solve anything by 'beating' an already weakened opponent with a bullshit power-up

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60238: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:17:45 PM

He also didn't receive any clothing damage.

The true mark of a DB victor.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60239: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:20:40 PM

[up][up]Now you're just being bitter and pedantic.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60240: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:23:56 PM

I mean, 18 was out-classed years ago...by 7-8 year old Saiyan hybrids, yet who is the one who's actually involved in the plot right now? The same would hold true for 17, yet now he's gotten to the point where he's not only able to stand up to a Super Saiyan Blue who's holding back, but also hold back an unknown amount of his own power in the process, by essentially doing the same solo training that Tien has been doing for the past two decades. Really, we just need to accept the fact that Toei can and will bullshit people to relevance again, logic be damned, and there is literally nothing we can say or do to change that because Toei doesn't really care about what our side of the fan base thinks.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60241: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:24:41 PM

Nothing bitter about it. Just being accurate.

Trunks' blow does not have any narrative impact, unless you count making the situation worse so that Zen'o had to be brought in.

Besides, Trunks has more popularity power than Team Nerd. The fact that he's a side character doesn't put him in the same category as them, as he's more like a guest character and the whole arc had been shilling him.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#60242: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:31:49 PM

No narrative impact? It was the climax of the arc. Zen-Oh cleaning up afterwards was clearly the falling action.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60243: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:32:55 PM

No, it wasn't. The problem was not resolved until Zen'o intervened.

It was a fake out climax.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60244: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:34:26 PM

It did render the whole arc into a shaggy dog story.

Future Trunks' actions only made things worse though I guess the same event would have happened with Vegito if he finished off Merged Zamasu so the whole thing was pointless really.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#60245: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:41:31 PM

Hey now, the Zamusa finish finally gave Trunks a proper Ultimate to use in the Video Games going forward. No more pretending that over the head kI blast he used to kill Cell is a finisher. tongue

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60246: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:54:59 PM

...it's more of a finisher than the sword was

Given that it

Finished the enemy

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#60247: Jul 4th 2017 at 11:10:17 PM

Only Saiyans matter. Unless you're Gohan. If you're Gohan, the rules are different.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#60248: Jul 4th 2017 at 11:36:22 PM

well yeah because he's only half saiyan.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#60249: Jul 5th 2017 at 12:40:04 AM

Well enjoy your cynicism I guess? Least you won't be disappointed lol.

Just sayin', you don't have to be a cynic to not be disappointed by stuff...

A cynical person still has expectations...

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60250: Jul 5th 2017 at 1:02:42 AM

Trunks only defeated Zamasu in an arbitrary, shallow meaning of the word. He didn't solve anything by 'beating' an already weakened opponent with a bullshit power-up

Bullshit power up though it was, it was still a nice attack. It mostly needed more buildup instead of coming out of nowhere.

As for it's lack of doing anything, I don't really fault Trunks for that. How could anyone expect something as insane of Zamasu's final actions to happen. It is entirely possible that the same thing would have taken place if Vegito had struck the finishing blow. Zamasu just refused to lose in the end.

I'm giving the kid a pass essentially.

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