That's why I said, it gives the illusion they're contributing while still having Goku and Vegeta do everything. Its just like in the last tournament where despite having a 5 v 5, Goku & Vegeta were the only ones who actually pulled any sort of weight.
That's...not really teamwork, it wasn't even a strategy. It was more "Get the fuck out of here while I distract him" You Shall Not Pass! or some shit.
Dragon Ball is the pure embodiment of the Battle Shonen genre, where most if not all disputes are settled with 1 v 1 fights. Shit like "strategy" has never been the focal point, ever.
edited 4th Jul '17 4:01:38 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.I image that this will be slightly different just because of how many participants there are. Goku and Vegeta will still probably due most things (just look at those spoilers), but a "bone" will be thrown to the others somewhat.
Also, Frieza will probably due a lot, so that's a third person getting weight. Although, I feel the vibe here is that he's already overexposed...
>Build up every member of the team within an entire cour of the Anime season
>Makes them fuck off for The Hero and The Rival to do all of the work, as well as the villain who had already came back before.
Dragon Ball Super everybody.
edited 4th Jul '17 4:07:53 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Seriously, its been 1 episode and 1 minute into the tournament. There's no doubt in my mind that everyone on U7 is getting a fight for themselves here at some point. The episode everyone is complaining about, with Team Nerd trying a new formation while Vegeta tries to solo U6, is even titled after Krillin!
I guess the character's literally are as strong as the plot at the moment needs them to be.
Maybe one of the other dudes surrounding Team Nerd used some kind of secret technique to nullify the attack completely.
You know what I'd like to see for the next arc:
A Dragonball hunt...where the other side has motives that are as benevolent (or possibly even more benevolent) than our heroes.
The Pride Troopers are genuine heroes who just think Goku is a bad guy, but it would be interesting if they went up against people who's reason to use the balls is just as good as their, and both sides know it.
It's never happened in the series before, and say what you will about Super, I think it has churned out some unique scenarios in part, even if it's execution has been poor.
One Strip! One Strip!LSBK & Black, I think you are overstating the aversion to teamwork the characters have in the manga. While the series is mostly 1 on 1 fights due to being Shonen, most of the time that comes down to people being unable to help rather than the fighters not wanting it.
Goku may have wanted his friends to stay out of his 23rd Budokai fight, but that was because he didn't want to give up the Budokai in order to win. Even then, they made it clear that Goku's friends were helpless later in the fight. He was thankful when Ten saved him from Daimao, he teamed up with Piccolo against Raditz, and accepted help against Vegeta.
Most of the cast were fine with working together against Nappa, and only let Vegeta fight 18 alone because their combined strength isn't enough to make up for 17 joining the fight if they got involved.
Even Vegeta wanted to fight Freeza and the Ginyu Force with allies, but they went along with the Ginyu Force's rules because they were outnumbered. During the Android arc he's more prickly about receiving help because he became a LOT more egotistical.
I think the biggest contributor to the current "we don't work together" portrayal of the characters is the battle with Pure Boo, where Goku and Vegeta turn down fusion and take turns fighting him. However, that was because they didn't take Pure Boo seriously at all: Goku regrets breaking the potara and after his ephinany Vegeta tells Goku to forget his turn and just end it.
The manga version of the Fused Zamasu fight reminds me of this most, with the way they take turns except here they know they're outclassed but still act the same way. It only makes sense after they defuse and Vegeta has to stall followed by Goku being the only one able to fight.
The issue with the TOP isn't that they're having the characters try teamwork, it's that they're acting like they're strong enough to actually use it.
No, he isn't. He has an incredibly poor track record for planning & decision making and he does not use strategies signicantly more than the other cast members.
It's pure fanon. There's a big fallacy in the fandom that the weaker characters must be smarter/more skilled/have something that makes them special when there is nothing to back it up.
edited 4th Jul '17 7:27:01 PM by Saiga
I don't get that, Gohan's the only one who could be called a nerd. Or is it because it's his team?
And I don't think Ten would try on his own because he knows by this point how useless he is (see Android arc). Realistically he'd eithr tell them to get someone else or try his best to go unnoticed so he doesn't reduce U7's chances by getting eliminated.
One idea I've had since long before the tournament even started was that U7 would win solely because of Gohan and his group hanging in there until the time runs out. Like, Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, and 17 are all eliminated late in the tournament and Gohan's group is left standing at the end, giving U7 the victory by numbers.

Worked together to find Cell/the Androids. There was never any illusion that they were going to dog pile either of them, he was obviously going to handle that himself. Like he did when the Androids arrived and he went off, by himself. He also told the others to let him fight Andrid 20/Dr. Gero alone.
And the entire reason that Tenshinhan even wanted to let the androids arrive was so that he could test himself against them. Has he lost that mindset?
That they're willing to work together isn't the same thing as them being willing to fight together. Though in that area, Piccolo has shown himself to be more amenable than Tenshinhan.
edited 4th Jul '17 3:57:01 PM by LSBK