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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60126: Jul 3rd 2017 at 9:29:43 PM

No, he disagrees with the Fusion Dance, because of both his pride as a fighter and because he doesn't want to do the ridiculous poses; the Potara Fusion thing wasn't on the table because until the Future Trunks Saga, both of them were operating under the assumption that the fusion would be permanent.

Plus, back then Buu wasn't an entity born at the beginning of time, he was just some evil creature created by a wizard imp; the implication of such would have been that Babidi could also undo the fusion, if we're going off the same "creation is just as powerful" as the Eternal Dragons and their creator, at least magic-wise.

edited 3rd Jul '17 9:31:59 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#60127: Jul 3rd 2017 at 9:29:45 PM

I still don't mind the Potara fusion retcpm, and don't get why people would prefer Gogeta...when him and Vegetto are still the same character regardless and the result of the arc doesn't change.

The only thing I can say I don't like is how is kind of undermines the original premise of the Potara, but it's not like Goku and Vegeta ever bothered with the Fusion dance anyway in the series so it's moot.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60128: Jul 3rd 2017 at 9:38:03 PM

Majin Boo was originally a magical accident, full of unpredictable abilities and behaviour. There is nothing more perfect for providing an unexpected out to potara than that.

And the power of the creator thing very obviously does not apply when Boo is stronger than his creator.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60129: Jul 3rd 2017 at 9:41:05 PM

I mean, it also doesn't apply to the Eternal Dragons either, unless you think Kami, Guru, Moori, and Dende could all bring the dead back to life, restore entire planets, create entire planets out of nothing, warp entire species across the universe, and grant immortality and eternal youth.

edited 3rd Jul '17 9:41:14 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60130: Jul 3rd 2017 at 9:42:41 PM

That's not what the limitations mean and never has been.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60131: Jul 3rd 2017 at 9:55:10 PM

It should also be mentioned, that the only reason Potara Fusion exists at all is because Toei got to Goku and Vegeta using the Fusion Dance first, and Toriyama didn't want to step on any toes by reusing it. So really, combine him having to think up an entirely new fusion style, and his own "writing by the seat of his pants" style, and is it any wonder why there would be problems with the thing?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60132: Jul 3rd 2017 at 10:15:56 PM

No.

But that has nothing to do with revisting it in a stupider way that gives even less incentive to abusing it.

Plus, they didn't even give a limitation on refusing. The fusion dance specifically prevents refusing for an hour after Super Saiyan 3 breaks it. For Potara, even if those earrings are busted they should just slap on another pair.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60133: Jul 3rd 2017 at 10:23:12 PM

Kind of hard to do that though when you're either out of energy or unconscious though, with the first thing being what happened to Goku and Vegeta after they defused, by way of Fused Zamas punching them hard right into the ground.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60134: Jul 3rd 2017 at 10:24:15 PM

It's no harder than attempting to fuse in the first place. So it's certainly worth trying.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60135: Jul 3rd 2017 at 10:31:00 PM

Zamas was still able to keep up with a full power Super Saiyan Blue Vegito though. Even if they had fused, if they both weren't at 100% when they did it there would have been nothing really stopping Zamas from just killing them in that state; we already saw him tank a full-power Final Kamehameha at that point, even though his immortality was no longer as "complete" as it once was, so it was already slowly growing obvious that even Vegito wasn't going to be able to kill him.

edited 3rd Jul '17 10:32:26 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60136: Jul 3rd 2017 at 10:32:00 PM

Any opponent Vegetto can't beat, Goku and Vegeta are fucked against.

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#60137: Jul 3rd 2017 at 10:32:39 PM

Except that, right before they defused, Vegetto was dominating the fight. Vegetto was just wailing on Merged Zamasu at will since Zamasu couldn't put up any resistance.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60138: Jul 3rd 2017 at 10:33:37 PM

And they didn't have time to try again either, because immediately after Fused Zamas moved in for the kill is when Trunks came in, and the whole Spirit Sword thing ended up happening.

[up] He still managed to tank a full-power Final Kamehameha though, with absolutely no damage done to him at all; it really should have been obvious by that point that Fused Zamas would have been able to outlast Vegito until his fusion ran out.

edited 3rd Jul '17 10:35:30 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60139: Jul 3rd 2017 at 10:41:15 PM

But that's just a specific circumstance. That doesn't resolve the serious potential for abuse, because the characters won't assume every situation will play out the same.

Zamasu tanked the Final Kamehameha because ki attacks aren't anywhere near as damaging in Super.

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#60140: Jul 3rd 2017 at 10:48:47 PM

...that's just an out-of-universe reasoning for an in-universe situation; that hardly counts at all.

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#60141: Jul 3rd 2017 at 10:53:34 PM

Does it count when Vegeta's ever amazing Gamma Burst Flash from the manga proves Saiga's point?

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#60142: Jul 3rd 2017 at 10:57:12 PM

1) it still doesn't change the fact that he tanked it, no matter what you try to say to defend it, and 2) that Gamma Burst Flash seems to be Vegeta's version of Goku's Dragon Fist: an insanely powerful move that is capable of harming things far stronger than the user should be able to; plus, it looked like he was undergoing another rage boost, like what happened against Beerus and what happened with Goku when he found out Black killed Goten and Chichi in his body in the anime.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60143: Jul 3rd 2017 at 11:06:18 PM

No, really. If they had claimed that Zamasu tanked it because he was tough it'd be fair, but the fact that Super consistently portrays big ki attacks as doing little physical damage (even when they overwhelm the opponent) means you can't compare it to a different medium to prove a point.

Zamasu tanking a large ki blast in the anime isn't enough to say how durable he is, or that Vegetto can't beat him.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60144: Jul 4th 2017 at 5:26:22 AM

It's pretty funny that Potara is still abusable even after the retcon, purely because no one will ever address it in official media.

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#60145: Jul 4th 2017 at 8:54:29 AM

I mind the Potara Retcon, because I always found the Possibility interesting, what a Permafusion would do with the Rest of their Life. How would Vegetto tread Bulma, Chichi, Gohan, Goten and Trunks? Or what Feelings would the planned Fusion between Goku and Gohan have for Chichi?

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#60146: Jul 4th 2017 at 9:19:20 AM

[up]I honestly doubt they would let it stick. Those two would separate as soon everyone found the Dragon Balls..

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#60147: Jul 4th 2017 at 9:50:15 AM

The fact that the fusions are technically separate characters with their own personality traits and flaws different (or exaggerated) from the people who created them is something I've always thought would make for an interesting story - perhaps for a smaller arc.

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#60148: Jul 4th 2017 at 10:03:45 AM

speaking of fusion

what would happen if captain ginyu body changed with a fusion? what happens when the fusion ends?

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#60149: Jul 4th 2017 at 11:28:27 AM

[up].... I have no mouth and I must scream......

That is the situation Ginyu would find himself in.

edited 4th Jul '17 11:30:53 AM by hardcorefakes

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#60150: Jul 4th 2017 at 12:02:23 PM

Episode descriptions of 98 and 99, translated by the reliable Herms98.

Gosh darn it, Vegeta. As expected, Goku will have to master the Conservation of Ninjutsu next week, while a stressed Vegeta's going to do the same the week after against U6. In between all of this, a whole team of universe fighters will finally fall. Gohan's Team Nerd will try to a new battle formation as well.

edited 4th Jul '17 12:08:01 PM by XMenMutant22


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