Well, I mean... kind of. The writing with these things is never been super complex. Wherever it goes, I see no reason to think that "Frost pretending to be a good guy" is going to amount to anything in this tournament because, well, why would it?
His little alliance with Frieza and whatever they plan on doing is going to happen because the could tell just from looking at each other they're basically the same person.
edited 3rd Jul '17 8:26:03 PM by LSBK
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No need to sound so passive aggressive.
But LSBK is right, the entire basis of Frost's character is "He's not Freeza...except he is". The entire point of his fight with Piccolo was establishing that, that's it. If you think that's something important, ok I guess. But I don't and I'm going to call it as I see it.
And what you said about "know what Frost character" is has no real basis since that is what his character is at the moment. Hell, him and Freeza had an entire segment together noting how similar they were.
edited 3rd Jul '17 8:27:05 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.And to address the manga, the result is still the same there too. Yea, Frost isn't an exact copy of Freeza like in the Anime, but the entire thing still establishes him as a jerk and has the same exact result of Vegeta one-shotting him.
Well ya know, it's not mine (or Saiga or LSBK's) intention to talk down to people, I'm just calling a spade a spade. If you think Piccolo vs. Frost was some awesome moment for the former, you're more than free to believe that. Conversely, I'm just as free to disagree with that and point out exactly why I don't agree. Now if that upsets you, then that is honestly your problem because it's not intention to rile people up here. I'm just here to talk about the series, that's it.
If I do rile people up, its usually in a tongue in cheek sort of way.
edited 3rd Jul '17 8:34:15 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Except he wasn't Frieza in the manga, he was just an impatient jerk who didn't see any point to any of the fights, and in a way, he's right. There were literally no stakes at all for that entire Saga, barring the universal location of Earth; Goku even lampshades this when he said that Earth really wouldn't be affected by this at all. The only real stakes came from Beerus saying he'd destroy Earth if they lost, but even then, do you honestly think Champa would let him get away with that, or for that matter Whis or Vados; Vados because she'd probably wouldn't let Beerus just destroy their prize, and Whis because like hell he'd let Beerus destroy the greatest source of fine cuisine in the entire universe. The only real point of the entire Saga was everything involving Zenō, and that just led to this tournament where seven universes are going to be erased by the end of it.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Not me, that was the best fight in the arc.
And yeah, Piccolo lost, but he put on a good showing. Losing because your opponent cheated is basically the same thing as winning.
edited 3rd Jul '17 9:01:24 PM by Moth13
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We were talking about the anime though. The manga is basically an entirely different ball game, and while I'm sure it'll be different once it makes it to this point, that's a ways off, different doesn't necessarily equal better, and has no barring on this conversation.
edited 3rd Jul '17 9:01:37 PM by LSBK
It makes you wish Resurrection F wasn't such a lackluster, since with Battle of Gods, we could have some tone balance:
1. Mostly wacky with serious tone (Beerus, who is more of a jerk)
2. Serious tone, with some wacky moments (Frieza)
3. Mostly relaxed tone (Universe 6)
4. Completely serious (Trunks)
5. Mostly lighthearted, despite the universal destruction deal
Super has some tone problems, but this isn't new in Dragon Ball. Seriously, the Saiyan to Cell saga was too serious compared with the rest of the manga, I don't found shocking why the Ginyu Force became popular.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.It still doesn't change the fact that that tournament had no point in existing beyond a feud between two cat deities with anger issues, and that it has ultimately led to both this tournament existing, and the entirety of the Future Trunks Saga, simply because Zamas found out about the Super Dragon Balls and Goku's defilement of the gods from a GodTube video taken from that tournament.
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
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Oh yeah, it was a spectacular fight, but the end result annoyed me.
Not only is the sudden time limit on Potarra stupid, along with the revelation that using too much power can cause it to end earlier, but it also removed literally everything about it that made it different from Dance Fusion.
There were better ways to figure out how to break the fusion (two were established already: using the dragon balls, and letting themselves be absorbed by Buu while clad in a force field).
Then again, I also like Trunks' Spirit Sword, even if it makes no fucking sense (cause it looks pretty cool truthfully, and it was something we'd never seen before) and was equally pointless in the end, so I'm a hypocrite.
edited 3rd Jul '17 9:06:02 PM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!I mean, there had to be some explanation for them defusing the first time beyond Buu's innards being magical enough to defuse them (which always felt like a cop-out to me), and the fusion itself ending early this time makes sense, since it's two mortals using an ultra-powerful godly transformation that the fusion was probably never meant to withstand in the first place.
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Nope dude don't try to justify it.
If Buu's magical innards were a cop-out then adding a time limit is an even worse cop-out.
They should have just kept the Potara earrings unchanged, end the arc with the two stuck as Vegito & then use the Dragon-Balls to unfuse them.
edited 3rd Jul '17 9:14:31 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Plus, it's not like this is the first time Toriyama retconned something involving the Kaioshin; do recall that Elder Kai said that he was sealed away by a powerful enemy who was afraid of his ability to awaken a person's full potential. Over a decade later and Toriyama says no, he wasn't sealed away by a powerful enemy afraid of him, he was sealed away by Beerus because he angered him during a massive meeting and it would have been improper to just kill him. The only in-universe explanation (beyond retcon) is that Elder Kai was straight up lying to save face for his mistake.
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Again, there's no time limit if the fusion involves a Kaioshin, if not there's an hour long time limit, meaning it still has an advantage over the 30 minute-limit of the Fusion Dance. And really, do you honestly think a Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta would have lasted any longer; Super Saiyan 3 brings the limit down to like 5 minutes, so the godly power of Blue would probably make the damn thing last like 30 seconds.
edited 3rd Jul '17 9:19:28 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!The Potara time limit is fine and fixes a plot hole. My issue was with the same "power using up the fusion" excuse that other fusions got stuck with.
I dislike how this series in general uses stamina and other excuses like it to devalue transformations. Toyotaro has been just awful with this regarding Blue.
edited 3rd Jul '17 9:23:39 PM by LordVatek
This song needs more love.Yeah. Stamina issues seem to be plaguing a lot of the forms in this series lately, which is strange, since Goku underwent training during the Cell arc to fix that, so you'd think he'd try and apply it to the later forms as well.
I mean, it's not too different from the weight training right. Spend enough time doing it, and you should get more used to it and use less energy. But instead it's all like Stamina drain is unfixable!
One Strip! One Strip!It's been twenty years since Vegetto defused. Even though it was handwaved originally, we didn't need to revisit it. Doing so won't improve on the writing for the original, and replacing the problem with a Voodoo Shark only makes the current writing weak as well.
At least with the original handwave the potara are permanent under their own power. The fact that an explicitly magical creature might fuck with the magic of the potara is fine, the point of the potara was never that they couldn't be defused by anything external to it. It was that it wouldn't come undone by itself, adding two ways for it to be defused by itself is ridiculously stupid.
I don't agree. There's no more distinction between the two Fusions anymore & anytime Vegeta disagrees to it now its only gonna make him look like a big baby for not doing something to save their skins that will only last a couple minutes tops.
Yeah Buu is an Eldritch Abomination. The idea that he could fuck with the fusion in some way cause he's magical is a pretty decent justification really.
edited 3rd Jul '17 9:28:12 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Jedi, Frost outright said he was playing Piccolo the entire time. The dialogue at the end of the anime fight shows that Piccolo was the one who was outsmarted.
Even if it weren't for tha, Piccolo would have only won from fighting an exhausted opponent with the tournament rules in his favour. The story saying it's impressive doesn't make it so. Same thing for his tactics: he did nothing overtly clever in that fight, it was barely distinguishable from other Toei fights.
Also, Frost had no way of beating Vegeta without the needle, so Piccolo's loss doesn't even expose him. It was only suspicious because Goku lost in the first place, after that Piccolo jobbing just confirmed the suspicions.
edited 3rd Jul '17 8:28:30 PM by Saiga