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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60076: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:41:17 PM

Majin Boo.

They knew well in advance that he wouldn't be on the final team.

Though the episodes building up his return could have been a Toei addition.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60077: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:46:30 PM

How could I forget Boo?

As much as I'm actually curious about how this thing with Frieza will go, I won't lie that Boo failing asleep and bowing out again was really frustrating. This is literally the third time they wrote him out (first in Resurrection F, then in the Universe 6 Tourney, and now this) and they used the same fuckign trick all three times (he's asleep and won't wake up).

At least he got to beat Basil's ass rather thoroughly though. That was something.

edited 3rd Jul '17 7:46:39 PM by HandsomeRob

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#60078: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:46:40 PM

It was also the first fusion between Goku and Vegeta that actually had to try against their opponent; Super Vegito was leagues beyond anything Super Buuhan could accomplish, same for Super Gogeta and Janemba, and Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta was so far beyond Omega Shenron that he might have been Beerus-level at that point. Fused Zamas has literally been the only opponent any fusion of those two have ever struggled against (at least anime-wise anyways.)

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#60079: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:49:41 PM

It makes sense they would be holding back a lot of first to see how durable people are. I mean Krillin could have killed with that destructo disk.

But its probably the more cynical explanation.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60080: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:51:18 PM

I'm curious if the other Universe's fighters are aware of Fusion.

Was Fusion ever mentioned as illegal in the Tournament?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60081: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:52:42 PM

[up][up][up] I don't doubt this considering how Toei love to hype something up but never actually has any payoff. Whether that's because of Toriyama or whomever doesn't change that.

It's why nobody really expects much from all of the non-Goku, Vegeta, and maybe Gohan fights, because all of the buildup in the world doesn't mean much if it's just tossed aside.

That's been Super's problem since the beginning, but I'm really starting to get worn out from it. I love the Chaos from the opening of this tournament, but I'm watching with full knowledge that over half of these characters will likely be unceremoniously chucked to make way for the heavy hitters.

Same thing happened with the last major tournament after all, so I don't expect much to change here.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60082: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:55:57 PM

I mean, we still have that Krillin-centric episode in the future, don't we?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60083: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:58:00 PM

Piccolo also had spotlight episode in the last tournament against Frost, and that amounted to so much right [lol]

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60084: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:58:53 PM

I mean, Piccolo did have a good showing during that, he just lost to the same trick that was used to beat Goku.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#60085: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:02:21 PM

Yeah just cuz it really meant nothing overall doesn't mean it wasn't still a good fight.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60086: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:02:22 PM

What did he show? Even if he was cheated, he still lost a fight against an opponent he was outclassed against. He doesn't even get to redeem that loss because he quickly moves aside for Vegeta to take over.

So I ask once more, what did Piccolo actually accomplish in that fight?

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#60087: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:03:35 PM

I mean if all you care bout is results. They saw the poison needle because of that fight.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60088: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:05:55 PM

He would have won if Frost didn't cheat.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60089: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:07:33 PM

It's not just results. The entire battle had no consequence.

It's pretty shallow to call that a good moment just because Piccolo was on-screen looking superficially cool for a brief moment that ended up not mattering.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#60090: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:11:19 PM

He showed intelligence and tactics against an opponent that outclassed him and would have won if Frost didn't cheat. I don't think saying it was a good moment is shallow. Nor more so than what you are saying.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60091: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:11:38 PM

What makes it worse was the whole thing was just for Vegeta to have a cheap victory over Frieza.

They wasted a perfectly good character & fight just so to stroke Veggie's ego by having him one-shot a Frieza-lite.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60092: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:13:01 PM

Yea, that's basically what it is, superficial. A moment that looks cool and flashy, but doesn't actually have anything substantial backing it. That's a lot of Super's moments (not all of them though)

Which is why I just roll my eyes whenever people hype moments like that and I see them listed on the Awesome Moments page. But hey, most Dragon Ball fans are generally superficial so maybe it fits...

[up][up][up] That would sound more impressive if the writing pretended like Piccolo wasn't already outclassed from the getgo. And the fact that he still lost despite that.

I'm not saying you can't like the moment, but I'm just reading it for what it is. Yes, the result does matter even if you think it doesn't.

edited 3rd Jul '17 8:15:54 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#60093: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:14:56 PM

If Piccolo hadn't outplayed and trapped Frost and still lost they wouldn't have seen the needle. The entire rest of the tournament could have been different. How is that superficial?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60094: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:15:47 PM

You could easily take the poison angle out and nothing of consequence is lost. Goku gets put back in the tournament but for some reason Piccolo isn't, and the entire thing was probably only done to get Vegeta to beat on a Frieza look alike.

I suppose it does establish Frost's character, but they also could have just as easily not put in the pretensions of him being a decent guy, and again, nothing of consequence is lost.

Piccolo, like Buu and Monaka, served no real purpose there.

edited 3rd Jul '17 8:16:42 PM by LSBK

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60095: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:18:30 PM

The poison angle was only there to establish Frost as bad person, which is fine I guess but it doesn't have any meaning because Frost doesn't get disqualified and Piccolo still loses his spot...so the only thing that's established is that Frost is...exactly like Freeza?

[up]Piccolo was put back in but forfeited because Vegeta told him to.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#60096: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:18:46 PM

So establishing Frost's character is meaningless? Removing the pretensions makes him somone else. He is not exactly like Freeza. The scene had a purpose, but since it wasn't one that matters to you it is inconsequential.

edited 3rd Jul '17 8:19:31 PM by Jedi1113

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60097: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:20:20 PM

Which makes me sad cause I like Piccolo & having him win a fight would have been awesome since his last battle with an opponent on equal footing was fucking 17.

As well as wasting making Frost a good member of Frieza's race.

I like Goku & Vegeta but fuck that everyone else gets screwed over just to prop them up.

[up] Well I don't like Frost' current characterization after the reveal.

[up][up] Fuck Vegeta then.

edited 3rd Jul '17 8:21:17 PM by slimcoder

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60098: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:20:58 PM

No, it really doesn't. They've basically gone full Frieza clone with him anyway, the pretensions were just to go "Oh, you thought this guy was exactly like Frieza but he's not...psyche!" It's basically meaningless padding meant to try and fool people into thinking something clever is actually happening.

Every scene has a purpose if you want to get really technical about it, but if that purpose is going to get tossed aside and made totally irrelevant, it has no real meaning. That's what Frost pretending to be a nice guy is, and that's what his and Piccolo's fight is.

edited 3rd Jul '17 8:22:53 PM by LSBK

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#60099: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:22:48 PM

I'm glad you know exactly where Frost's story is going and can see through all the meaningless padding. What would us poor superficial fans do without you.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60100: Jul 3rd 2017 at 8:23:24 PM

It should be noted this really only happens in the anime; in the manga Frost is just really impatient, so we really don't know how much is Toriyama and how much is Toei in this.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!

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