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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60051: Jul 3rd 2017 at 9:40:59 AM

Yeah, that wasn't what I got from that scene at all, and I don't really get where that interpretation came from. It should be removed.

And even without that it assumes their attacks would have been enough to knock them out, and is wrong about knocking them out, eliminating them. It really has no ground to stand on.

edited 3rd Jul '17 9:42:28 AM by LSBK

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#60052: Jul 3rd 2017 at 10:32:39 AM

Yeah it wasn't because of Botamo, it was because those guys were just too strong. It literally showed Team Nerd being ineffective.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#60053: Jul 3rd 2017 at 11:49:30 AM

It kinda sucks that Team Nerd is shown to be too useless in the opening minute of the tournament. Teamwork was supposed to be an important factor. sad

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60054: Jul 3rd 2017 at 11:51:49 AM

At most teamwork is going to be good for certain established pairs to tug on heartstrings.

Krillin and 18, 17 and 18, Goku and Gohan, Gohan and Piccolo, and that's probably it. You shouldn't get your hopes up for more.

edited 3rd Jul '17 11:52:23 AM by LSBK

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#60055: Jul 3rd 2017 at 12:47:00 PM

Considering the aura from the NEP doesn't match the one from the promo poster, I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that Goku's trying to charge a spirit bomb for some odd reason.

The NEP aura matches his old spirit bomb aura to a T.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60056: Jul 3rd 2017 at 12:47:15 PM

Team work in a Shonen series, that's cute.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
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#60057: Jul 3rd 2017 at 12:47:41 PM

I like how it was Frieza of all people who gave at least some lip service to the idea while the rest of Team Douchebag just bailed without a word.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60058: Jul 3rd 2017 at 1:40:13 PM

Oh shit I found something funny. Its Goku making a deal with Old Kai to find the Namekian's after Kidd Buu destroyed Earth with the new Kai dialogue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vGD6YekrM0&index=1&list=LLL7XU9dNX0vBZGWCaICXOyg

I just love this. How Goku is so deviously smart to come up with a bribe like this as well as knowing enough about female anatomy to make comments like "tight & right", Bulma being prettier than his own wife & knowing how to make a porno. Its also hilarious how the he assumes the woman Gokus's talking about is Bulma, dude really does think his wife is hot, hahaha. [lol]

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UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#60059: Jul 3rd 2017 at 1:50:49 PM

[up]All this, and Goku had never once kissed his wife. That.......brings up a lot of implications.....

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#60060: Jul 3rd 2017 at 1:52:33 PM

There's plenty of cultures who regard kissing as gross.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#60061: Jul 3rd 2017 at 2:11:40 PM

Team work in a Shonen series, that's cute.

I mean, the opening for this arc is mostly Goku fighting Jiren all by himself. This was never going to be about teamwork.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60062: Jul 3rd 2017 at 2:15:42 PM

[up][up]And Goku isn't from one, and we have no reason to believe Chichi is either, so that point means nothing here.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60063: Jul 3rd 2017 at 2:16:22 PM

Which makes it asinine that they'd even try to play up the idea. Even the Kaioshin is like "What the fuck was even the point of making a plan?"

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60064: Jul 3rd 2017 at 2:18:07 PM

That's also not how the scene was played.

What's really weird about the teamwork being ineffective is that base Gohan was strong enough to hurt Lavender before his training and now his attack has no effect at all.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#60065: Jul 3rd 2017 at 2:25:41 PM

That is odd.

I mean, Gohan couldn't have been holding back that much right?

Cause he probably was holding back (no Mystic form or even Super Saiyan, and a generic ki blast instead of anything like a kamehameha...though Roshi did that already).

Meh. At least the fights look cool so far. At the least, the entire thing is as chaotic as we knew it would be.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#60066: Jul 3rd 2017 at 2:28:52 PM

What's really weird about the teamwork being ineffective is that base Gohan was strong enough to hurt Lavender before his training and now his attack has no effect at all.

Yeah, I noticed the same thing.

You know, one of the things I was really looking forward to this arc was the opportunity to see aweome moments from characters other than Goku and Vegeta. I was even willing to forgive the leaps in logic they took to make the human characters way stronger because I was sure it'd all be worth it.

But now, it's like... why would they even do that if they're just going to have them go back to being useless once the tournament actually begins?

edited 3rd Jul '17 2:29:08 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60067: Jul 3rd 2017 at 2:29:38 PM

I guess Lavender really bulked up in the two days he had which also involved searching for more guys to help fight.

Also Goku is one diabolical motherfucker. Dude is willing to pimp out his son's girlfriend & his oldest friend in a deal with a deity.

Watch out Krillen for he might pull that shit with 18 this time. tongue

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#60068: Jul 3rd 2017 at 2:48:46 PM

[up]This kinda sounds like a doujin someone would make....

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#60069: Jul 3rd 2017 at 3:07:15 PM

That's also not how the scene was played

I was paraphrasing a bit, but I do recall he said something along the lines of that.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60070: Jul 3rd 2017 at 3:12:56 PM

While we're talking about teamwork mattering, I got me thinking about that "awesome" moment and similarly crappy example put on the awesome page for the Abridged series.

Even if Bagaramo or how ever you spell his name just absorbed the attack that seems like it would be a more awesome moment for Universe 9, not our guys. They had no effect.

It's a ridiculous as that time when someone people one of Krillin Own Count moments as a moment of awesome because he happened to have a Senzu and so recovered immediately only to continue doing what he was doing. He succeeded but still, that's just stretching "awesome" so as to be meaningless.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#60071: Jul 3rd 2017 at 3:50:17 PM

Bergamo is the blue Trio De Dangers wolf who can grow giant. Botamo is indestructible Winnie the Pooh.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#60072: Jul 3rd 2017 at 5:13:54 PM

Lavender is managing to hang in there for a guy whose fighting style revolves around using poison.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60073: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:18:22 PM

That is odd.

I mean, Gohan couldn't have been holding back that much right?

They Just Didn't Care

If they want to show someone being outclassed, they will. After everything else in this arc it's too late to expect consistency.

Anyway, on the actual episode itself: this is pretty much what I'm expecting for the battle royale.

Most of the fighting being a bunch of chaos covered up by background explosions, small skirmishers shown which won't all be resolved on-screen, characters just re-appearing elsewhere (Lavender appears to fight Goku before we see how his fight with Gohan's group ended), recycled animation, very shallow combat and fighters eliminated quickly without standing out much.

This could just be because this is the establishing episode for the tournament, but I don't see this format changing except for big emphasis on Goku and Jiren's fight (and maybe Vegeta versus magical girl).

But now, it's like... why would they even do that if they're just going to have them go back to being useless once the tournament actually begins?

I think it's pretty likely that they will do some sort of moments for the characters who actually made it to the tournament, but after the bait and switch with Boo it's pretty obvious that nobody has a problem deliberately building up hype to let people down.

It's not so different to Piccolo and Boo being added to the U6 tournament, or Gohan taking up his training after Freeza (for the anime). It lures people in, and it works. It still works.

The optimistic answer is Misaimed Fandom - Goku and Vegeta are still the majority of what people want to see, and the writers genuienly want to please everyone but are poor at balancing it. The job they do is so bad that it's hard to believe, but I think this is at least part of it.

The cynical answed is that this is very deliberate. Either Toriyama is taken "subverting expectations" so far as to think letting fans down is a clever twist, or they do this because it gets them the fan response they want. The mere suggestion that [your fav] might matter may simply be enough to get people into it more than excluding said favourite drives people away.

edited 3rd Jul '17 7:28:22 PM by Saiga

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60074: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:29:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04jBGBLVMuk

This is a pretty boss trailer for Buu's resurrection & its for Fat Buu who is not the absolute worse Buu which is way yet to come.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#60075: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:37:05 PM

The cynical answed is that this is very deliberate. Either Toriyama is taken "subverting expectations" so far as to think letting fans down is a clever twist, or they do this because it gets them the fan response they want. The mere suggestion that [your fav] might matter may simply be enough to get people into it more than excluding said favourite drives people away.

For all my criticisms of Toriyama, I doubt he'd go that far...at least not deliberately. Sure he set characters up to look awesome only to have them fail and their actions not affect anything at all, but that was because he was just writing on the fly and probably didn't think of the long term affect on said characters as long as the story went in the direction it was supposed to.

I doubt he'd really ever start purposely setting them up to fail...though I can't deny the possibility either.

I can buy the other explanation as well (it's why Vegito was in the advertisements for episode 66, even though he craps out at the end). And lets be honest, it worked. We all got hyped for the return of Vegito...and then was utterly disappointed.

edited 3rd Jul '17 7:44:34 PM by HandsomeRob

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