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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#60026: Jul 2nd 2017 at 2:09:55 PM

Well, I can, if you want. But I didn't ignore it. I just skimmed.

zsmg Since: Jul, 2011
#60027: Jul 2nd 2017 at 2:17:52 PM

The only time I can recall where Goku left himself open in the manga was at the end of his fight against Majin Vegeta.

If you really want to stretch things you can include being grazed by Freeza's kienzan. I don't think you can include this though.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60028: Jul 2nd 2017 at 2:41:22 PM

That's shouldn't even count because their fight was over. I'd say Piccolo's sneak attack on him during their match at the 23(?) tournament counts though, and he got a hole blown in him for his trouble.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#60029: Jul 2nd 2017 at 4:17:16 PM

If Toriyama intended for Goku to be someone who always leaves himself open he probably wouldn't have included all those lines in the manga about how he doesn't leave himself open.

Well, that seems to be the intent Toriyama has now. We can just chalk it up as more inconsistency on how he writes his title character.

Of course, if you're willing to go out on a limb, you could say that it's not so much that Goku doesn't leave himself open so much as that he's so far ahead of everyone else, that it just looks like he's not leaving himself open. They suck so much, he can be barely paying attention, and still be completely aware of what they are doing (and I could buy it).

But it's not stated so that's obviously not what's happening.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#60030: Jul 2nd 2017 at 4:26:02 PM

I mean, it could be that Goku's gotten really fucking cocky after Buu for some reason.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#60031: Jul 2nd 2017 at 5:00:09 PM

[up] I'm still of the belief that Super!Goku is an over-correction of the whole "Goku was too heroic in Z" sentiment.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#60032: Jul 2nd 2017 at 5:43:34 PM

I mean, it started in Battle of Gods and Resurrection F, to be fair.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#60033: Jul 2nd 2017 at 5:53:24 PM

wild mass guess Toriyama mostly remembers the work he did in the early Dragonball chapters back when Goku was a naive, uncultured lope (because that was when Dragonball hit it off and was probably the most fun for him, before it really got big and he was working his butt off to get chapters out) - and from the last few parts of the series (because that's when he finally got to put it to rest) when Goku and Vegeta nearly threw a fight for the universe for the sake of honor.

Drawing from the earliest and latest versions of Goku's personality, his view of Goku's personality stems toward the dim-witted martial artist moreso than the experienced warrior he became in the mid-to-late portions of the manga.

wild mass guess Toriyama doesn't care and Flanderized the crap out of his most popular protagonist to the anger of Dragonball loyalists.

edited 2nd Jul '17 5:54:15 PM by Soble

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#60034: Jul 2nd 2017 at 7:12:11 PM

[up]

I say, we go for both.

...How old is Marron supposed to be again? I keep losing track.

Edit: Also, from the emphasis on Universe 9 in the preview for episode 98, alongside the title, does anyone get the feeling that they are gonna be the firs to lose all their members and be eliminated?

edited 2nd Jul '17 7:13:14 PM by HandsomeRob

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60035: Jul 2nd 2017 at 7:13:59 PM

Well...she was the only one of the female children to actually be 18 during GT, so probably a little younger than what Trunks and Goten should be by now.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60036: Jul 2nd 2017 at 7:17:47 PM

[up][up]Universe 9 sucking harder than everyone else is what they've been going for for awhile now.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#60037: Jul 2nd 2017 at 7:21:25 PM

It's a shame because Basil was the real MVP in the last episode.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#60039: Jul 2nd 2017 at 7:49:58 PM

That was the one thing he didn't kick actually.tongue

But your point still stands.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#60040: Jul 2nd 2017 at 8:11:44 PM

[up] Are you saying he kicked the bucket before the tournament even started? Damn, talk about weak.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#60041: Jul 2nd 2017 at 8:23:16 PM

Look I get a kick outta these posts as much as the next guy, but it is too early to say that yet.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#60042: Jul 2nd 2017 at 9:14:04 PM

...

<Shrugs>

Now I know we all get our kicks out of these jokes, but lets not kick off a trend here.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#60043: Jul 2nd 2017 at 9:19:37 PM

Yawl deserve a kick in the rear for starting these kick puns. tongue

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#60044: Jul 2nd 2017 at 9:22:44 PM

Let's kick this can down the road and discuss it later, then.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#60045: Jul 2nd 2017 at 9:30:42 PM

These puns are kick-ass.

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#60046: Jul 2nd 2017 at 9:37:10 PM

wild mass guess Toriyama mostly remembers the work he did in the early Dragonball chapters back when Goku was a naive, uncultured lope (because that was when Dragonball hit it off and was probably the most fun for him, before it really got big and he was working his butt off to get chapters out) - and from the last few parts of the series (because that's when he finally got to put it to rest) when Goku and Vegeta nearly threw a fight for the universe for the sake of honor. Drawing from the earliest and latest versions of Goku's personality, his view of Goku's personality stems toward the dim-witted martial artist moreso than the experienced warrior he became in the mid-to-late portions of the manga.

wild mass guess Toriyama doesn't care and Flanderized the crap out of his most popular protagonist to the anger of Dragonball loyalists.

Misinformed Fans/Edgelord: B-B-But Goku had always been selfish person who only liked fighting more than anything.

On a more serious note, that would explain why Goku's personality was 'corrected' from being an experienced fighter who cares for his friends and family and will fight for them as much as for himself to a literally being a parody in Super.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#60047: Jul 3rd 2017 at 1:40:46 AM

Speaking of, I don't see why so many people are complaining that what we've seen of the To P happened in only a minute. Just take a moment to think about the series' power scaling. As early as the 21st Budoukai, the fighters were moving at speeds too great for the normal eye to see and there isn't a proper adjective to adequately describe how much stronger and faster they are now compared to then. Unless every single fighter spent more than a minute talking (and even that might not be an issue), half an episode taking only a minute of IU time is probably low balling their speeds.

The same thing applies to SSJ Goku VS 100% Freeza. Ignoring all the padding and filler the anime added, it's perfectly reasonable that the fight took less than seven minutes (Freeza added two more minutes to the timer partway through).

If they talk in hyper speed, why can much weaker people hear them? The conversations don't fit in the times given.

Also, if you're ignoring the anime's filler and padding then you're not talking about the same version of Goku vs Freeza that most fans making fun of it are.

edited 3rd Jul '17 1:42:02 AM by Saiga

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#60048: Jul 3rd 2017 at 6:07:16 AM

[up]They do if we factor in the time dilation caused by Frieza.

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#60049: Jul 3rd 2017 at 7:40:32 AM

You know, before it was pointed out to me, I didn't even notice that the episode reused animation assets from prior episodes. Eh, reused animation is better than bad animation any day.

Some people are asking what's going on with Goku's white aura in the NEP, and I'm just like: isn't that just Saiyan Beyond God?

Epilogue Since: Jul, 2016
#60050: Jul 3rd 2017 at 9:38:30 AM

In the Awesome-Page for Dragonball Super was this little bit:

While The Saiyans, Androids and Frieza go off to do their own thing. Gohan, Tien, Piccolo, Krillin and Roshi stick to the original plan and are fighting back to back when they are cornered by several fighters. Showing great teamwork they leap into the air and Tien blinds them with a Solar Flare and the others let loose with signature attacks. If not for Botamo being amongst the group, they would've had the group knocked out and eliminated.

If the Idea really was, that Botamo absorbed the Damage than that really wasn't conveyed very good. Well, I'll still take that as Head Canon because it makes the most Sense to me.


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