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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59901: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:21:54 PM

How exactly did they go about determining that Caulifla and Kale were the strongest Saiyans besides Cabba?

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#59902: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:23:58 PM

A rumor. The series only stated she has more potential than Renso, who is Cabba former teacher.

She managed to become Super Saiyan 1 and 2 very easily, so she is talented, but we still don't know how she fights.

Cabba choose both because they are talented, after all, Kale did a new and unknown type of transformation. (That is probably not going to be explained like Super Saiyan Rage)

Damn it, I want my damn spin off manga.

edited 30th Jun '17 6:26:47 PM by Tomodachi

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59903: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:25:15 PM

@Gojira

We know from the manga that he was the East Kaioshin of his generation, and this was before Boo killed the others. Yes, in the original lore there were other Kaioshin. If the new lore says otherwise, it's a contradiction.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59904: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:26:24 PM

Or a retcon...

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#59905: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:28:55 PM

Or probably there are other kaioshins we don't see. After all, the fat Supreme Kai should be having Shin place as the Top God, but Buu killed him.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#59906: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:29:22 PM

Well I'm going with my theory because it's the only way things make sense.

Again, why did Universe 7 have multiple Kaioshins for each quadrant, when all other universes seem to have only one?

It makes more sense to use what's there to fill in the gaps instead of saying Lol! It's different now! I'm not sure why Toriyama hasn't thought of it yet.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59907: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:29:27 PM

Contradictions can be retcons, but retcons don't have to be contradictions.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59908: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:31:18 PM

[up][up] Because A) he doesn't care

and B) your explanation doesn't work

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59909: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:33:55 PM

And I've been saying that the Daikaioshin was just the current Kaioshin, and that the others were his apprentices in much the same way Zamasu was to Gowasu. Plus, wasn't the Elder Kai the Kaioshin of 15 generations ago?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#59910: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:34:41 PM

I assumed the Kais the God's bring along are the top Kai's.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#59911: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:35:04 PM

[up][up][up]

HE SHOULD CARE!

He's supposed to care about this kinda thing.

I don't even care about my explanation not working (I mean, I originally wanted to mention that it's never said he was the Kai of one quadrant, but you say it did in the manga, so that's done with), but he should freaking care!

It's not that hard to fix the problem, In fact, it literally takes no effort. He's all about making things easier for himself too.

...bah fuck it. It's an inconsistency. If that's how it is, then I'm not gonna tie myself in knots getting angry about it anymore.

I should just stick to my philosophy of enjoying the fights and forget all this other stuff. It's just better that way.

Edit: [up][up]

I had that theory myself before I came up with this one. I just liked this one a little better.

I should probably just go back to that.

edited 30th Jun '17 6:36:07 PM by HandsomeRob

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59912: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:37:17 PM

[up][up] Then why did only the Kaioshin and his attendant from Universe 6 attend that Tournament, when both Shin, Kibito, and Elder Kai attended it for Universe 7?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#59913: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:38:23 PM

[up] Our Kais are a special situation?

As well as oddly close cause I don't think Kai's should be this friendly & personal to mortals.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#59914: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:39:33 PM

and contradict that both Old Kaioshin and East Kaioshin could permanently fuse.

The anime has it that any gods can permanently fuse, unlike the manga. Oh wait nevermind I was wrong.

We know from the manga that he was the East Kaioshin of his generation, and this was before Boo killed the others. Yes, in the original lore there were other Kaioshin. If the new lore says otherwise, it's a contradiction.

It's a contradiction either way, but some contradictions are way more palatable than others. Handwaving away a single line is way less of a big deal than handwaving away entire characters that affected huge parts of a villain's fight.

edited 30th Jun '17 8:24:24 PM by Moth13

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59915: Jun 30th 2017 at 7:42:35 PM

With them not addressing it, it doesn't mean they've retconned the characters away entirely.

And I've been saying that the Daikaioshin was just the current Kaioshin, and that the others were his apprentices in much the same way Zamasu was to Gowasu. Plus, wasn't the Elder Kai the Kaioshin of 15 generations ago?

The east Kaioshin of 15 generations ago. What you're saying is still a contradiction, so while it does address the issue it's still an obvious problem.

Saying that Universe 7 is unique is the only way to not contradict it. Due to the connection with Beerus, you could even say that hundreds of millions of years ago he set up the multiple Kaioshin to act as back-ups in case one died, and was keeping it a secret. When Majin Boo killed all but one, he couldn't replace them without Zen'o finding out so he abandoned the scheme.

edited 30th Jun '17 7:44:28 PM by Saiga

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59916: Jun 30th 2017 at 7:45:24 PM

I mean, it would make more sense for Beerus to just seal Elder Kai away than just kill him if he was the Kaioshin, and thus had a life link with Beerus, instead of just being some random Kaioshin that could have easily been replaced within the next few millennium, as Beerus really shouldn't care about being "proper" in that kind of situation.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59917: Jun 30th 2017 at 7:47:13 PM

That still wouldn't make sense, because if he's still 'linked' to Old Kaioshin then there should be no threat if new Kaioshin dies.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#59918: Jun 30th 2017 at 7:53:16 PM

None of this really makes sense...

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#59919: Jun 30th 2017 at 8:12:26 PM

Trunks: (grabs Mai) Look at me. It's your fault. It's everyone's fault. Who cares. Are you up for this? Are you? Look, I just need to know because the city is on fire ... okay, look, the city is on fire, we're fighting an evil version of Son Goku. And I have a sword from an alternate timeline. None of this makes sense.

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59920: Jun 30th 2017 at 8:15:18 PM

[up]

Heh.

That's a fair argument.

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#59921: Jun 30th 2017 at 8:32:51 PM

so i beat xenoverse 2's new DLC chapter

the fact that future trunks' hair goes from purple to blue to purple again is... confusing

also i like how Trunks didn't actually become a time patroller out of his own volition. he was forced to by the elder kai and the kai of time because he seriously fucked up the timeline and they were making him make up for it.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59922: Jun 30th 2017 at 8:53:47 PM

They don't have the part where Zamasu becomes the universe, I see.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59923: Jun 30th 2017 at 9:42:49 PM

So wait, is Xeno Trunks supposed to come from Super!Trunks then?

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#59924: Jun 30th 2017 at 9:51:39 PM

Yup. Xenoverse Trunks is confirmed to be the same Trunks from Z and Super, since the supreme kai of time specifically says that our trunks was the one who altered time and created a new timeline not once but twice.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59925: Jun 30th 2017 at 9:54:58 PM

Huh......

At least he's not living with Future Mai then.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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