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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#59876: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:46:28 PM

hardcorefakes: Right now, all of the fights in Super feel kind of sterile. As if there was no weight behind their punches or ki attacks.

Did you miss how Vegeta's armor and bodysuit were wrecked by Zamasu somehow?

And yeah, the morning schedule limits the amount of physical damage they can animate on the characters.

edited 30th Jun '17 2:46:42 PM by MyssaRei

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59877: Jun 30th 2017 at 2:58:02 PM

When the arc was announced and before we knew anything from the poster, I thought Black might be a Baby-like enemy from Trunks' timeline who hijacked Goku's body.

Then he'd follow Trunks to the present, and they'd eventually reason that their should be a Black in the present as well, who would Potara fuse with Future Black to form the final boss.

My second thought once we started seeing the series was that Goku Black was the product of a potara fusion between Zamasu and Goku.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59878: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:00:08 PM

[up][up] Sure there was some damage but in comparison to everything else its not much.

Future Trunks still has his jacket completely intact by the end of the arc.

Now that is completely unforgivable.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#59879: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:02:09 PM

I figured Black was related to Zamasu because his entire aesthetic screams a Supreme Kai. I just didn't know how until The Reveal.

The reveal itself may not have been considered good to some people, but I did love the genuine mystery on just who the hell Black was.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59880: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:11:17 PM

Vegeta's battle damage seemed like an excuse to use Boo arc Vegetto's design.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59881: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:18:00 PM

I mean, the design also got used in the manga as well, so maybe Toriyama just didn't want to make a new design for him?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59882: Jun 30th 2017 at 3:38:23 PM

That may be possible, then again, it's not Toriyama drawing it, but Toyotaro.

Just finished watching The Path to Power. Jet Pack Hatchan / Eighter for the win.

I like that while he hated killing, he could still fight when necessary. I also appreciate that Black's reasons for trying to fight stemmed less from forgetting his own advice about running away from a battle they'd clearly lost and more from Sanity Slippage at finding out the truth. Hell, I'm impressed that Red actually took Black's advice and tried to run, since his canon counterpart flat out refused even in the face of their obvious disadvantage.

Part of me wished Toriyama had thought of the Red Ribbon Army from the get go instead of Pilaf (though Goku superman-ing his way through them wouldn't have worked if not for the stuff with Tao and Korrin.

...I like Kid Goku in his Z finale / GT garb on the Nimbu and with the Nyoi-bo. I think it looks better than his canon clothes at that time.

...Nothing much more to say, except...

This is still the coolest portrayal of Wolf Fang Fist ever. You got to look cool for a few seconds Yamcha. I suppose that's the best you can ask for.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59883: Jun 30th 2017 at 4:31:02 PM

He didn't lose the fight that time...Blooma's sudden appearance just made him give up.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59884: Jun 30th 2017 at 4:37:55 PM

This is true, but it's Yamcha, so people will just say he lost anyway.

Or that he would have lost because he's Yamcha or something else along those lines.

Also, here's a thing from Masako X about potential replacements for Beerus as the God of Destruction:

Is it a little scary that I agree with him about Frieza actually making a good God of Destruction? I mean, it's not too different from his old job, and this time, there'd be no Monkey Hillbilly to screw things up for him.

Not only that, with Whis and Shin to keep him in line (the former by just being more powerful, and the latter by carrying a knife to stab himself in the heart at all times from then on), and the knowledge of how bad things could get if he went too far, he might actually tow the party line for once and think beyond his own self gratification...

Then again, this is Frieza we're talking about. I don't think it's possible for him to think that far. The guy's too much of a sadist who loves being more powerful than everyone and lording it over people. I'm sure he'd find a way to screw up somehow.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#59885: Jun 30th 2017 at 4:59:46 PM

I wouldn't want Beerus to be replaced. I like him as a member of the cast too much.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59886: Jun 30th 2017 at 5:01:38 PM

I think this was more of an in-universe thing.

However, considering that Old Kaioshin described Beerus' destruction as "meaningless" in Super, I don't think it'd be a good idea to replace him who is going to destroy more.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59887: Jun 30th 2017 at 5:07:00 PM

I mean, Whis would probably knock him on his ass repeatedly if he ended up worse than Beerus in that department.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59888: Jun 30th 2017 at 5:08:09 PM

[up][up]Good point.

I mean, Whis wasn't exactly doing much to reign Beerus in (maybe because he knew he'd be in no danger either way), and I'd expect Frieza to just find an effective way to lock up Shin the same way Beerus did with the Old Kai, thereby eliminating the threat of him killing himself to stop Frieza if he got too uppity.

Speaking of Shin, I've realized something about the Retcon about the number of Supreme Kais...

It might not actually be a retcon that is.

Think about it. Beerus and Old Kai had an argument, and the former sealed up the latter in a sword right?

But then, there's no one doing the Supreme Kai's job, so what happens: a bunch of regular kais (the most promising ones, all of who had the potential to succeed Old Kai) all come together, and using a system 4 kais for each quadrant, with one Gran Kai watching them system, take his place taking over the universe.

Dai Kaioshin was the strongest of them, but couldn't do the job on his own, hence the other 4.

Now, there's no confirmation of this, and it's entirely possible that this thought never even occurred to Toriyama and he just retconned Shin's backstory without a single care, but I still think this makes sense.

Edit: [up]

He was';t exactly keeping Beerus in line. I mean, he just let him go around destroying whatever he wanted to destroyed, whenever he wanted, for whatever reason floated Beerus' boat.

edited 30th Jun '17 5:09:18 PM by HandsomeRob

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59889: Jun 30th 2017 at 5:09:18 PM

Hey what if Beerus does lose his position but is then stuck mooching off the Briefs as the thing that would not leave? tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59890: Jun 30th 2017 at 5:11:33 PM

Also, does anyone else think, based on color scheme, that Super Saiyan Rosé could have been reworked as a perfect fusion of Super Saiyan Blue and the Kaiōken?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59891: Jun 30th 2017 at 5:14:32 PM

[up][up][up] Old Kaioshin was the East Kaioshin of his generation.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59892: Jun 30th 2017 at 5:17:40 PM

So the Universe 6 Saiyans can't sense ki?

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#59893: Jun 30th 2017 at 5:54:38 PM

I'm inclined to believe Caulifla can't, since Cabba did sense U11 energy. Is possible she can't feel a thing, since she didn't react that much when Cabba first transformed (He knocked one of his goons without moving, that picked her curiosity)

She also didn't feel Cabba nor Kale super saiyan energy, she felt the pressure in the background (For crying out loud, Kale had visible electricity and an earthquake was happening when she did, she just though "Oh my god, my precious protegee gained some cool muscles!" and thought it was cool)

Caulifla can't sense energy, that's it.

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#59894: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:03:51 PM

We've officially out-stupided "Can turn Super Saiyan but can't fly."

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59895: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:11:19 PM

Old Kaioshin was the East Kaioshin of his generation.

So essentially, he had a perfect work around for the sudden inconsistency in Shin's backstory, but he's not using it.

Because it's either that, or Universe 7 just works differently from the other 12 universes for no explicable reason.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59896: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:12:43 PM

Caulifa not being able to sense energy makes sense, since she appears to be strength-obssessed like the original Saiyans and Freeza's goons. Vegeta himself said that was the biggest obstacle to learning it.

[up] No, he had no such workaround. The 5 Kaioshin were the norm, even back as far as Old Kaioshin's time. To say they were not really Kaioshin would contradict that they had indeed been called that, and contradict that both Old Kaioshin and East Kaioshin could permanently fuse. East Kaioshin could be handwaved by saying he was made a full Kaioshin when he was the only survivor, but Old Kaioshin fused permanently when all the Kaioshin were alive.

Having one Kaioshin per universe makes things much easier for handling 11 other universes (along with 1 angel and 1 Hakaishin that's 33 positions to fill for the new universes, rather than 77) but doesn't fit established lore at all.

edited 30th Jun '17 6:18:16 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59897: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:16:11 PM

She doesn't really seem like the spiritual type, so yeah, I can get that she wouldn't be capable.

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#59898: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:18:36 PM

She appears to not be properly trained, unlike Cabba, who worked for the Sadal Defense Forces (Aka, Militia).

She is basically Unskilled, but Strong, the same goes for Kale (who is The Berserker), and Cabba is Weak, but Skilled (due to being a Fragile Speedster).

With the rest of U6, we have Hit (Story-Breaker Power) Frost (Appears to be the same as Cabba, but a cheater), Botamo (Who has a Story-Breaker Power, but an simple weakness) and Magetta (Who by all accounts is Invincible, but also has a weakness in his sensibility)

edited 30th Jun '17 6:22:05 PM by Tomodachi

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59899: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:18:48 PM

[up][up][up] Except we don't really know if Elder Kai wasn't the Kaioshin before the Daikaioshin was, or if there were even other Kaioshin around when he fused according to all the new lore.

edited 30th Jun '17 6:19:03 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59900: Jun 30th 2017 at 6:20:14 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]That was Goten, right?

edited 30th Jun '17 6:20:44 PM by Hobgoblin


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