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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#59601: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:23:19 PM

There are two double standards here:

"A woman insulting someone and acting tough makes her an uppity bitch who needs to be put in her place, while a man insulting someone and acting tough makes them cool and powerful." Which is relevant to the conversation.

"A woman physically assaulting a man is justified because she can't really hurt him, while a man physically assaulting a woman is wrong because women are weak and never deserve violence." Which was brought up solely for the sake of bringing it up.

edited 25th Jun '17 9:24:01 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59602: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:23:29 PM

Yeah, but a lot of the enjoyment people get from their characters is watching them eventually get the shit kicked out of them.

Not to say that misogyny isn't involved with the reaction to Caulifa, it usually is with subjects like this. Just a comment that people tend to like watching the rude/smug/cocky characters getting beaten on anyway.

edited 25th Jun '17 9:31:09 PM by LSBK

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59603: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:25:31 PM

I mean, this very thread has stated that Vegeta is at his best when he's getting the shit kicked out of him.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59604: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:25:47 PM

That's certainly how I'm feeling.

Gender has nothing to do with it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59605: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:35:00 PM

Everyone is at their best when getting beat up...

It just looks so nice...

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#59606: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:35:20 PM

I've seen some users call for a "callback" to Videl vs Spopovich (or Gohan vs Recoome) for Caulifla, among other colorful analogies. Regardless, no problem with Caulifla possibly getting her comeuppance.

Though I will say this: this is probably the first time in a while where "villainous bad dad" Goku gets a warming support from his usual detractors.

[up]Does that mean that battle damage clothing will return?!

edited 25th Jun '17 9:37:08 PM by XMenMutant22

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#59607: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:36:12 PM

It's Dragon Ball, she's gonna get into a fight and probably get beaten badly. What I take issue with is people wanting it to be as brutal as possible.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59608: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:39:11 PM

Really I can't imagine she'll amount to much in the end.

Its Kale who were supposed to be hyped up for.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#59609: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:39:23 PM

I mean, I can think of plenty other examples of guys acting cocky and instead of thinking they're being arrogant, they're excited to see what they can do and why they're so cocky.

I'm sure part of that is that we've already seen Caulifla do stuff... but what we've seen her do is get Super Saiyan 2 without even trying so I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if she got 3 during the tournament.

edited 25th Jun '17 9:41:42 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59610: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:41:49 PM

They really decided to go all out with the first female Super Saiyans, didn't they.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59611: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:42:36 PM

Like that one Vegeta did in Multiverse....right up until it bit him in the ass when the stamina drain kicked in and he got killed by Raichi's Ghost Warrior Vegeta.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59612: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:43:28 PM

[up][up] I don't blame em.

We were long overdue for one really.

edited 25th Jun '17 9:43:49 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#59613: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:48:47 PM

Caulifla's actions make perfect sense. They are all fighting for the survival of their universe why wouldn't you act as tough as you can.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#59614: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:49:21 PM

The exact same episode has Jiren shut down Goku trying to be friendly, and the general response has been "Jiren is so coooooool" rather than "I hope his defeat is humiliating and painful".

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59616: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:50:32 PM

In his defense he was more classy about it. tongue

Cauli came off as a try-hard in comparison to Jiren whose actions were smooth like running water.

edited 25th Jun '17 9:51:41 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59617: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:52:32 PM

I hope they both beat people up and are beaten up in turn, and then beat up more people.

Handsome Rob, man of equality.cool

One Strip! One Strip!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#59618: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:54:59 PM

I hate that this is a conversation, fuck gender politics real talk.

No I don't care if Caulifa is a chick. I'm just pointing out that her underestimating people who are blatantly stronger than her might bite her in the ass.

I give Vegeta, Freeza, and anyone else the same amount of shit for doing the same thing and point out how dumb they are too.

So please kindly take that misogyny bullshit somewhere else.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59619: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:55:44 PM

Why can't more people be equal for characters?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59620: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:56:06 PM

I mean, that might be true of you personally, but you can't just dismiss stuff like this completely out of hand.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#59621: Jun 25th 2017 at 9:58:38 PM

I'm only speaking about myself at the moment, and pointing it out because I was originally the one who pointed it out.

If other people are being sexist about it, then that's on them. I'm just pointing out where I stand on the matter.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59622: Jun 25th 2017 at 10:02:01 PM

It should be noted that Jiren has more hype than Cauli. The guy has been built up as Goku's ultimate rival, the homegrown hero of his own universe, its shining champion when all hope seems lost he will prevail cause that's what a hero does. Dude has a major spot in the OP for one.

Cauli has none of that, she doesn't have the comparable hype, Kale does. Cauli's existence is just a bonus to having another female Super Saiyan who has a warrior personality like the Saiyan's we know & love. We don't expect a climactic epic final battle to end all battles from her or expect her to be involved.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#59623: Jun 25th 2017 at 10:02:08 PM

Yeah I don't think anyone was talking about you specifically. It was brought up that this was a common thing elsewhere and it took off from there.

This song needs more love.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59624: Jun 25th 2017 at 10:02:27 PM

[up][up][up]

Here here.

We watch DBZ to see people punching other people in the face. Gender should not be an issue.

Unfortunately, in a series where female fighters were few and far between (and with one single exception, massively out powered by the males) it's a very dominant issue.

...That being said, I'll change the subject by saying I want the opening move of the tournament to be every member of every team flash-stepping behind someone and kicking them in the ass until we just get a circle of asskicking.[lol]

edited 25th Jun '17 10:02:39 PM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#59625: Jun 25th 2017 at 10:02:34 PM

I've only seen such comments on You Tube, but that's not a surprise.


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