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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59451: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:58:50 PM

That one scene doesn't mean Goku is in character for Super though.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59452: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:03:48 PM

I mean, he pretty much explains the same thing that Roshi said during that tournament during his encounter with 17 in Super, basically saying he's never really been aware of saving the planet, that he's come this far just from wanting to fight strong guys, but that he can't stand innocent people and animals getting killed or erased thanks to his grandfather's teachings.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#59453: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:05:16 PM

When Toonami just aired the Majin Vegeta transformation episode, it surprised me to see just how angry and serious Goku got. It was incredible whiplash coming from Super.

edited 23rd Jun '17 9:05:24 PM by Moth13

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59454: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:05:17 PM

but he can stand letting several universes being erased

they're absolutely not the same thing

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59455: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:06:29 PM

This also isn't the kind of show that would have Goku of all people angst about it for several episodes.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#59456: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:07:53 PM

That's why this is my favorite moment of Super so far:

This song needs more love.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59457: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:11:24 PM

Also, you do realize that no one can do anything to stop this. Zeno is going to destroy at least 7 universes whether anyone likes it or not, and considering Zeno was apparently willing to erase even Goku if he didn't go all-out in his fight with Bergamo because of the whole bet that was happening, Goku doesn't exactly have as much sway as people would think. Goku has, more than likely, fully accepted that this is going to happen, and is going to at least try to keep his universe from getting erased.

edited 23rd Jun '17 9:11:55 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59458: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:11:35 PM

Fair point on Zamasu. He did seem to enjoy nature, at least.

When Toonami just aired the Majin Vegeta transformation episode, it surprised me to see just how angry and serious Goku got. It was incredible whiplash coming from Super.

I thought the real mood whiplash was Vegeta nuking half of the audience and part of the nearby city, followed by Mr. Satan and the announcer wondering if they should still hold the awards ceremony.

I don't really think this is the best time for that kind of talk?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59459: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:15:31 PM

It's not like the only options are for Goku to either angst non-stop or be completely chipper about directly dashing the other universes' chances of surviving. Everyone is way too easy-going about the stakes, but Goku has it by far the worst by being excited that he will be directly involved in erasing 7 entire universes.

It doesn't matter if he can't change it, he doesn't shown the least bit of remorse for this.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59460: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:17:48 PM

I mean, literally no one else seems to care about this happening; even Gohan hasn't shown any doubts about dooming 7 universes to non-existence.

edited 23rd Jun '17 9:20:41 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#59461: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:18:57 PM

Seriously the sheer amount of "The universe will be destroyed if we lose? Meh, don't care" is staggering.

This song needs more love.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59462: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:19:59 PM

Yes, it's a problem with everyone. The whole situation is nonsensical, with several characters caring more about money than their universe being erased. That doesn't make Goku in character, it means there is something seriously fucking wrong with the writing across the board.

Oh yeah, the video reminded me on Zamasu's immortality - I know when I last mentioned it, someone said he was invulnerable in the anime instead of regenerating, but he has been pierced by both Trunks' and Black's swords and then healed off the damage. So is the anime just inconsistent about this?

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#59463: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:20:28 PM

I mean it is an attitude that makes sense given no one really has to deal with consequences. They just figure they will win and make it all better like always.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59464: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:20:37 PM

Sounds like they've gone in a different direction with this than most people thought they would.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59465: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:20:57 PM

I mean, even if they do go with the "Goku uses Super Dragon Balls to revive the universes" angle, there's really nothing stopping the Zenōs from just erasing Universe 7 for defying them, erasing the 7 universes that lost all over again, and/or erasing the Super Dragon Balls in their entirety to prevent anyone from using that loophole again.

edited 23rd Jun '17 9:21:26 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#59466: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:21:29 PM

And I'm sure no one has thought it through that much.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59467: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:22:01 PM

The motivation & mindset everyone should have here should basically be:

"We have to win I don't want to fucking die!!!!!"

edited 23rd Jun '17 9:22:20 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59468: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:23:27 PM

The funny thing here is, that Vegeta might end up getting the only other universe with Saiyans in it erased, and he hasn't said jackshit about caring about this so far.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#59469: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:24:07 PM

wow. i didn't realize just how bad super's fight scenes were but those were actually terrible. everyone looked stiff as hell and the fighting was just slow.

still there were some badass moments in it.

in any case i hope the manga version of super fixes a lot of the flanderizaiton that super is putting these characters through, because some of it is outright contradictory to the source material.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59470: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:26:21 PM

[up][up] Considering how big a deal he makes of Saiyan pride yeah that is an issue.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59471: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:27:11 PM

Well considering the fact the manga still had Goku not having kissed Chichi once and forgetting the Mafuba tag again, as well as making Black basically Xicor 2.0 and reusing concepts from Toyotaro's old AF fan doujinshi, i.e. the transformation switching technique that Vegeta also came up with in that to deal with Xicor better, don't get your hopes up.

edited 23rd Jun '17 9:28:20 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#59472: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:28:21 PM

sad

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59473: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:30:12 PM

Again, most of the stuff is actually from Toriyama, not Toei, though if I recall the preview of the current Saga correctly, it did show off the manga's version of that meeting between the Zenōs and the Gods of Destruction about the tournament, and we did see Goku freaking out about it just as much as Beerus and Shin were.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59474: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:31:29 PM

We don't know how much of the current stuff is coming from Toriyama.

But Toei have some large gaps to fill.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59475: Jun 23rd 2017 at 9:33:12 PM

Though, for all we know the Universe 9 fights might be cut out for time or something, since the manga scans showed the Gods having a formal meeting with Zenō, and Goku was the only one seen with Beerus and Shin.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!

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