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#59426: Jun 23rd 2017 at 6:50:07 PM

Why would he consider training? He is stronger than everyone except an outright god.

He actually purposefully down powers himself and lounges around all day in a chair cause he can't be bothered.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59427: Jun 23rd 2017 at 6:51:43 PM

Plus, even with his training he's still weaker than Beerus; hell, Goku with a 10x Kaioken Super Saiyan Blue is still weaker than Beerus, so Frieza isn't closing that gap anytime soon.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59428: Jun 23rd 2017 at 7:23:32 PM

Pretty much.

Frieza didn't need to train when he was so strong by simple virtue of being Frieza that only a God of Destruction and an Eldritch Abomination were more powerful. He was the undisputed most powerful mortal in the entirety of Universe 7 until Goku did what he usually does and kicked his ass for getting in his [Goku's] way.

I can see why he didn't bother with training.

To use a tired analogy, he was Saitama before Saitama was even a thing...only he actually could be surpassed.

...And Saitama was actually born powerful...

...and he purposely dragged battles out instead of ending them instantly...

...and he grew a tail rather than just going bald...

...and...

<Is bricked>

edited 23rd Jun '17 7:24:12 PM by HandsomeRob

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#59429: Jun 23rd 2017 at 7:29:02 PM

*bricks Rob*

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59430: Jun 23rd 2017 at 7:31:04 PM

<catches the brick with his teeth and eats it>

Anyone else want to try their luck?

Anyway...that Frieza sure is an asshole huh?

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59431: Jun 23rd 2017 at 7:31:35 PM

It's kind of funny that Frieza's henchmen are surprised by people hiding their power from their scouter readings when Frieza is basically doing the exact same thing, especially in his Final Form.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#59432: Jun 23rd 2017 at 7:33:39 PM

I also find it funny that the concept of "getting off your ass" is foreign to Frieza.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#59433: Jun 23rd 2017 at 7:36:20 PM

Damnit, Rob, you ruined it! I was trying to retroactively explain where the aforementioned brick came from, not throw another one! Bricks don't just materialize out of thin air, and yet you interacted with two bricks, despite me only throwing one! You've effectively created matter, and now you've doomed us all by destroying the very fabric of reality!

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#59435: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:00:59 PM

DBZA is hilarious but it is concerning that some of misperceptions it perpetuates

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#59436: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:06:19 PM

Someone on the TFS subreddit actually made a point that I really like even though I kind of like Super.

Super is a sequel that treats DBZA as canon.

My various fanfics.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59437: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:14:19 PM

That is something that treats discussing Super in relation to everything else weird. People try and point to things in Super to make arguments about the series, but a lot of Super seems based more on fan perception/desire than how Dragon Ball actually was. But it's official (sort of, the manga and anime divide makes it even more complicated) so what do you say to that?

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59438: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:17:13 PM

Yeah, I look at Dragon Ball Kai where you have Goku and Gohan have a fairly heartfelt talk before Goku fights Majin Vegeta.

And then you go to Super and Goku is just like "lol what is kissing, I never did that before".

I refuse to believe they could have two kids and Chi-Chi has never tried to tell Goku about kissing. It's just too ridiculous, especially given her personality.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59439: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:20:06 PM

That's on Toriyama.

It's in both version, which means it's in his script.

So take it up with him.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59440: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:28:17 PM

On a different note, is Frieza more of a jerk than Zamasu?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59441: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:29:20 PM

[up][up] Toriyama also went back to Yamcha being afraid of women despite having him get over that in the manga (and mentioning him having a girlfriend at the end of the Cell arc).

I'm sure Toriyama's own perception of the characters has been flanderized to what they're known for over what he originally wrote.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59442: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:33:16 PM

[up]

Are you saying he's flanderizing his own characters now, or am I misunderstanding you?

Whatever the case, there are a lot of issues everywhere, on all sides I'd imagine.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59444: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:46:35 PM

To be fair, Goku's behavior in terms of fighting is actually largely consistent with what it was in the manga, or does no one remember Goku refusing Kami's help to fight Piccolo, simply because it'd be against the rules and he didn't want to lose the tournament, despite the fact Piccolo winning would have led to his death and the deaths of all his friends, as well as the Earth getting conquered?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59445: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:48:07 PM

[up] Wasn't that in his late teens though?

Its not alright to still pull that shit when your almost pushing 50.

A fucker can't mature?

edited 23rd Jun '17 8:48:26 PM by slimcoder

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#59446: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:49:51 PM

On a different note, is Frieza more of a jerk than Zamasu?

Yes.

Zamasu, twisted as he was, was at least motivated by a desire for eliminating evil and having a peaceful universe.

Freeza is just a power-hungry sadist who wants to kill and torture people for fun.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59447: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:51:51 PM

[up][up] Not when he's a partially brain-damaged Saiyan raised in the mountains who is a largely innocent man-child at heart.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#59448: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:55:44 PM

Frieza is the kind of person who proves Zamasu right.

This song needs more love.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59449: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:56:47 PM

"He's an abomination, and I now believe that Zamas did nothing wrong."

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59450: Jun 23rd 2017 at 8:57:03 PM

Pretty much.

One thing that's impressive about Frieza, is that among all the other villains and their motivations (wanting to rule the world, wanting to also rule the world WANTING TO BE TALLER, Being the embodiment of evil and and asshole, being the son of the asshole and wanting to rule the world, wanting immortality, being a bunch of punks, wanting to be perfect, eating those punks, and then just wanting a good fight, and being an eldritch abomination), Frieza's motivation is just cause I'm a dick and I can.

Even into Super, he really remains one of the more evil characters, and lacks even Zamasu's seeming well intentioned extremism. He's got no illusions that what he's doing is right. He just does it because he's stronger than everybody else, and there's no one who can stop him.

edited 23rd Jun '17 8:57:38 PM by HandsomeRob

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