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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#59251: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:49:54 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up] The training before and the fight with the Saiyans really instilled Piccolo as his father figure, as well as instilled damn near everything in Gohan's personality aside from the shit Chi Chi did. The point where he wanted to wear Piccolo's outfit in the Cell Games instead of Goku's was really telling. Hell during the trip to Namek Piccolo was on his mind more than his actual father.

Super recently brought that up to the forefront too.

[up][up] [up][up][up][up]I wouldn't say that was a plus considering he was subjecting his own son to torture by the enemy.

edited 19th Jun '17 7:54:37 AM by Memers

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#59252: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:51:53 AM

I prefer to think of Piccolo as a cool uncle.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#59253: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:58:22 AM

[up]Yes.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#59254: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:59:59 AM

I remember Super calling him Uncle Piccolo too.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#59255: Jun 19th 2017 at 8:17:10 AM

[up][up][up][up] Piccolo was dead at the time and they were going to Namek so they could revive him and the others. Of course Gohan would be thinking about him instead of his dad seeing as how Goku was more or less perfectly fine and would be catching up to them in a month or so.

As for the gi thing, I point you to the Boo Saga when Gohan returned to Earth after getting his potential unlocked and he asked Kibito to give him the same outfit his dad wore.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#59256: Jun 19th 2017 at 8:18:27 AM

[up][up][up][up] I can't tell if you're serious, or just intentionally forgetting events that took place in the series because it's convenient for your argument that Goku is a much worse father figure than Piccolo.

Everything Goku did for Gohan was literally pointed out, and you just ignored it.

edited 19th Jun '17 10:43:21 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#59257: Jun 19th 2017 at 8:33:11 AM

... Sigh, again

I guess we didn't talk about whatever Goku was a good father in a while so folks got antsy.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#59258: Jun 19th 2017 at 8:35:33 AM

Complaining about it isn't really adding anything, you don't have to participate you know.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#59259: Jun 19th 2017 at 9:15:27 AM

We could definitely do with a lot less of this kind of talk though.

Jesus fucking Christ, the hoops people go through to justify their headcanons...

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#59260: Jun 19th 2017 at 9:21:28 AM

[up][up]None of you guys added anything new either. Those are the same old arguments that circulate periodically without any point to them. So don't try to get snappy with me now.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59261: Jun 19th 2017 at 9:21:52 AM

[up][up]The comment does sum up some of the more cancerous parts of the Dragon Ball fanbase, but using it against a single person should be avoided.

[up]That I will agree with.

edited 19th Jun '17 9:22:29 AM by VeryMelon

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59262: Jun 19th 2017 at 9:29:40 AM

Has Goku ever used the Dragon Fist in Z?

Watching some GT & I noticed he's using it more to finish off opponents & I know he used the attack to finish off King Piccolo in the original DB.

edited 19th Jun '17 9:29:53 AM by slimcoder

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#59263: Jun 19th 2017 at 9:40:07 AM

I'm pretty sure it was introduced in the Wrath of the Dragon movie. Which was the last Z movie so I don't think there was any more time to add it into filler.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59264: Jun 19th 2017 at 9:42:06 AM

It's also a one hit kill move in Pokemon: Dragon Ball Z Team Training. You need to have Goku in your party so he can learn it from the Move Tutor on the Sevi I Islands.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59265: Jun 19th 2017 at 10:03:01 AM

[up] Is... Is that a real game?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59266: Jun 19th 2017 at 10:05:07 AM

It's real. This video is from 2015. The latest version of the game includes Golden Freeza and Goku Black.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59267: Jun 19th 2017 at 10:08:05 AM

<watches video>

<Sees Yamcha taken out in one hit without even doing anything>

Welp, seems they did their research.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59268: Jun 19th 2017 at 10:08:49 AM

the reason that we dont hold vegeta accountable for his unarguably shittier actions is because we hold goku to a higher standard than vegeta

And that is bullshit. There's no reason to not hold Vegeta accountable for his actions, or in actions just because he used to be evil. He's supposed to have made a Heel–Face Turn, hold him accountable for the bad as well as the good. That people can go "Ah, look at how much Vegeta has grown, he's so much better than Goku!" when ever he does something even remotely touching but then go "Eh, it's just Vegeta being Vegeta" when he does sometime dubious is frustrating as hell.

I'd also like to point out the weird irony of people bitching about Goku saving Dende and Satan. Normally, heroes not putting their own blood ties ahead of everything else would be considered noble, but apparently since Goku does it just means he's a bad father who hates his kids or something. Again, in a situation where he tried to get them but couldn't make it in time, while Vegeta did nothing. It's bullshit no matter how you try and spin it.

Edit: And if you want something new to the discussion about this fatherhood business, I think a large part of the reason people cling to it is Piccolo. So many people have forged this idea in their head of the evil monster turned kind and gentle father figure to his former worst enemies son. If you point out that, no, that's not actually the case, then the character probably becomes a lot less complex (to them) and basically shatters their image of him.

Also, people kind of just like shitting on Goku, so that's a big part of it as well.

And @Memers, maybe Yakuza got a bit heated, but it really does seem like your ignoring, exaggerating, or removing context from a lot of things to argue your point. No one denies that Gohan is important to Piccolo or vice-versa, that is not the same thing as Gohan looking at him as a father figure, or being a better one than Goku.

edited 19th Jun '17 10:20:45 AM by LSBK

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#59269: Jun 19th 2017 at 10:28:23 AM

None of you guys added anything new either. Those are the same old arguments that circulate periodically without any point to them. So don't try to get snappy with me now.

This an internet forum, a place where you are free to discuss this type of stuff. If you're tired of these arguments, either steer the conversation elsewhere or simply don't participate, because nobody is forcing anyone to take part in a discussion you have no interest in.

So yes, I will get snappy because with you because you're complaining about nothing. Nobody is breaking any rules, nobody was being hostile. All you did was come in here and say "why are you guys talking about something I don't care about?" Not contributing anything?

EDIT: I apologize if I'm a little aggressive today, I just lost my job so I'm a little on edge.

edited 19th Jun '17 10:44:25 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#59270: Jun 19th 2017 at 10:48:14 AM

Edit: You know what, forget it. We all had bad days, and I'm not about to kick you while you are down. You hang in there Yakuzu.

edited 19th Jun '17 10:48:55 AM by Shlugo_the_great

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#59271: Jun 19th 2017 at 10:54:12 AM

Thank you, I'm hanging in there.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59273: Jun 19th 2017 at 10:57:08 AM

It will get better bro. There's always the next day. [tup]

I would like to see Goku getting into some father/son adventures with Gohan or Goten. He just doesn't feel like a father or grandfather sometimes.

edited 19th Jun '17 10:57:20 AM by slimcoder

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59274: Jun 19th 2017 at 11:04:53 AM

Hopefully you find something else soon.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59275: Jun 19th 2017 at 11:11:43 AM

Also, people kind of just like shitting on Goku, so that's a big part of it as well.

Well there you go. Thinking something that's not true is one problem. People can be corrected, but it's hard to fight against a misconception that's born out of people who enjoy emphasizing that misconception. Even worse when there's even a grain of truth in it, because they will use that tiny grain and turn it into an entire field.

Look at poor Yamcha (who's Memetic Loser status has far more than a grain of truth to it) for how much people will enjoy shitting on a character.

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