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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59226: Jun 19th 2017 at 3:11:01 AM

I've been comfortable critiquing the series even before BoG massively shattered the pedestal I had for Toriyama.

How can you all be forgetting the one who is truly the worlds greatest dad: Gendou Ikari?

Dude was voted onto a list of best anime dads in a poll done by Funimation/Madman/someone like that. You simply can't argue with that.

As much as I enjoy some of the things DBZA has down (POWERLEVELS ARE BULLSHIT!}, they've been responsible for reinforcing or flat out creating some misinformed interpretations within the fandom.

You literally just gave an example of that.[lol]

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59227: Jun 19th 2017 at 3:27:03 AM

...I was honestly completely fine with Battle of Gods; like, there was literally nothing in it that I saw as "wrong" or "incorrect".

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#59228: Jun 19th 2017 at 3:31:49 AM

@Saiga, why was Battle of Gods a breaking point for you?

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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#59229: Jun 19th 2017 at 3:42:42 AM

Is the idea of a God of Destruction too "out there" for Dragon Ball, maybe?

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#59230: Jun 19th 2017 at 3:55:53 AM

Maybe he just hates new things.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59231: Jun 19th 2017 at 4:36:20 AM

You all had quite the talk while I was asleep. I'll say that sometimes a joke stops being funny when enough people start to interpret it as fact, but also say that people are flawed and will be biased in their perceptions to begin with. Most of us are aware that Goku cares about his family, and largely makes the controversial choices he does for reasons either previously established in his character or forced on Goku beyond his control. Discussion this heavy is sometimes the only way to clear up the air, and reaffirm the reality of the matter.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59232: Jun 19th 2017 at 4:44:21 AM

Akira Toriyama returning to do a continuation of the series had been my biggest hope before it was announced. I had thought that if he came back, he'd put something out that matched the quality of the manga, like the other sequels and side stories and fan projects just hadn't been doing. And BOG lacked that. It had many elements that felt like they were pulled from a fanfic or one of Toei's works (and it turns out, Super Saiyan God and God of Destruction were attached to the project before Toriyama came in) and was overall underwhelming.

I mean, before BOG I simply had too high an opinion of Toriyama. Since then I've realized how flawed his writing can be, especially his recent works.

It's partly that there was ever a pedestal to begin with, partly that I don't feel BOG is a disappointment (even now, that I don't have such a pedestal).

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edited 19th Jun '17 4:44:43 AM by Saiga

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59233: Jun 19th 2017 at 4:46:27 AM

True. it's harder for you be awake when the rest of us are.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59234: Jun 19th 2017 at 4:49:08 AM

What all this boils down to is the simple fact that Goku's a guy who's ill at ease and only knows how to fight.

Personally, I loved BoG and it's up there in my favorite movie list. Like... Top 10. Maybe Top 5. It's certainly my favorite Dragon Ball related piece of media.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59235: Jun 19th 2017 at 5:07:29 AM

i thought you meant dragon ball movies and so i was thinking yeah top 10 isnt exactly high praise for such a small list

and such a shitty selection

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#59236: Jun 19th 2017 at 5:20:12 AM

Goku was pretty cool in Bo G.

Seriously the "I will not let you destroy my world" scene was awesome.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59237: Jun 19th 2017 at 5:28:33 AM

[up] I will fully admit that the "Hero ~Song of Hope~" sequence is one of my favorite sequences in anything ever. It was just soooo cool.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#59238: Jun 19th 2017 at 6:15:05 AM

Battle of Gods was the point where forum dwellers who pretended to have all the answers about a canon that had been dormant for 20 years had to stop parroting.

Nostalgia-based elitism.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59239: Jun 19th 2017 at 6:16:41 AM

That'a a nice little generalization.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#59240: Jun 19th 2017 at 6:17:26 AM

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I won't lie, Sean's delivery of that line made me laugh.

edited 19th Jun '17 6:17:38 AM by hardcorefakes

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#59241: Jun 19th 2017 at 6:44:40 AM

Maybe we all just had too high an opinion of this series due to how influential it was to our childhood? It was essentially the gateway anime for us when we were younger, so naturally our opinion of it's quality was maybe just a bit higher than what the show had established.

I personally enjoyed Battle of Gods, but it does have a fanficy vibe tacked onto it. And then Toei being Toei decided to cash in and that's where we ended up with Super.

So yea, series is essentially a shell of it's former self at this point, only continuing by the graces of Dragon Ball essentially printing money.

edited 19th Jun '17 6:48:11 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#59242: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:12:16 AM

I actually like Goku better as a flawed character instead of the generic boring perfect hero. I HATE perfect characters.

And the fact that Piccolo is a better father figure to Gohan than his dad is fine, not every one bonds with their father like that, it is a massive plus for Piccolo's character.

Some parts of Super I actually like better than Z as they are taking more opportunities for character moments and comedy which helps compliment the fighting. Other parts though not so much.

edited 19th Jun '17 7:16:28 AM by Memers

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#59243: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:14:15 AM

You literally just gave an example of that.

That was more or less my intention.cool

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59244: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:19:59 AM

And the fact that Piccolo is a better father figure to Gohan than his dad

How? The only solo interaction that Piccolo has had with Gohan are the ~6 months they spent training together for the arrival of Nappa and Vegeta and he spent most of what time we saw being an asshole. After that, most of Gohan's time is spent with other people including his dad. The only moment after the Saiyan Saga is Gohan asking Piccolo to make him a gi like his for the Cell Games. It's only the fandom and Super that paints Piccolo into being some kind of glorious father figure that he never really was.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#59245: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:35:52 AM

Piccoro not understanding Gohand's thought process as he was fighting Cell probably says more about him than what was actually shown.

edited 19th Jun '17 7:36:16 AM by randomness4

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#59246: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:36:18 AM

Maybe we all just had too high an opinion of this series due to how influential it was to our childhood?

I wouldn't say so, considering I never really got into dragon ball until my teen years. I genuinely think Dragon Ball is well-written, even if some aspects are a mess when viewed closely.

I also think that there's dissonance between what Toriyama says he writes and what he actually writes, as well as believe that Super did cause a dip in quality for the series.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#59247: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:43:57 AM

@Zelenal: I'd say that Piccolo sacrificing himself to protect Gohan from Nappa should count for something.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#59248: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:47:40 AM

[up] Twice he sacrificed it should be noted.

Super's version of Resurrection F had Piccolo die for Gohan as punishment for his slacking off.

edited 19th Jun '17 7:47:59 AM by slimcoder

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59249: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:47:47 AM

Goku sacrificed himself so Piccolo could kill Raditz who had kidnapped Gohan. Goku sacrificed himself again in order to stop Cell from blowing up the Earth. Piccolo sacrificing himself to save Gohan was a great moment for his character but it's not really indicative of the topic of conversation.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#59250: Jun 19th 2017 at 7:49:49 AM

Like that's the funny thing DBZ started because Goku is a good enough father that he would die for his son & Piccolo was the one that killed him.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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