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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#5901: Mar 22nd 2014 at 5:13:41 PM

well,Great Ape forms are rather simple to achieve at least.

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5902: Mar 22nd 2014 at 5:16:30 PM

[up][up][up] "4,000,000"!? Fuck me! Where did you pull that number from!? I know that Krillin is insanely strong for a human but that seems a very high estimate. But considering this franchise thrives on Power Creep, it wouldn't be exactly far fetched...

edited 22nd Mar '14 5:18:07 PM by FireShadow

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5903: Mar 22nd 2014 at 5:29:47 PM

Like I said, some feats and comments from the android arc. Nailccolo couldn't even see beams from ~3% Freeza while Tenshinhan could dodge eye beams from the stronger Android 20. Yamcha was called a good source of energy by Gero (in PL terms, in the tens of millions, meaning Yamcha'd have to be pretty high to add any noticeable amount of enery) and at first mistaken for Goku by his scouter. Both of them kept up with sick base Goku's travel speed instead of being left in the dust, and sick base Goku was straining to keep it up (he was a lot weaker than regular base Goku, but not many times weaker). Gero saw the energy of those two, plus Gohan and Krilin, as worth absorbing later. Those two are far weaker than Krilin. There's other things, but these are the big ones.

It's not concrete, but I think there are enough scenes implying it to make going with it is better than just guessing. Again though, that's just me, there's no official power level for him or anything like that beyond the 75,000 he was given after the fight with Ginyu (Vegeta stated he was still rising in power later, when the fight with Freeza began).

edited 22nd Mar '14 5:30:58 PM by sockpuppet1

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5904: Mar 22nd 2014 at 5:53:26 PM

[up] If there ever do a full scale Dragon Ball reboot, there must be more information given of the battle powers for certain character because it's been very vague for quite a few years and has lead to a lot of confusion as far the power ranking would be concerned for some characters.

I also think fans want to know conclusively just how strong or weak certain fighters are, and if so by what margin, because even the databooks don't provide that much information for that regard in the Z portion of the story.

edited 22nd Mar '14 5:59:34 PM by FireShadow

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#5905: Mar 22nd 2014 at 5:55:46 PM

There won't be a reboot until the dust of Toriyama's bones is cast upon the winds from the top of Mt. Fuji.

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FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5906: Mar 22nd 2014 at 6:04:59 PM

[up]I wouldn't think we'd have to wait that long. Saint Seiya, Salior Moon, Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure, Hunterx Hunter and Neon Genesis Evangelion all got rebooted versions of their original anime purely for the fact there was immense demand for it from fans and they knew there was money to be had in a reboot. There's reason it can't happen for Dragon Ball.

edited 22nd Mar '14 6:10:21 PM by FireShadow

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#5907: Mar 22nd 2014 at 6:08:21 PM

Did Jojo get rebooted, or just sequels that go on forever?

Wait, Sailor Moon got rebooted?!?!?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5908: Mar 22nd 2014 at 6:09:31 PM

Yes there is. Toei is fucking stingy, Dragon Ball Kai is our answer to those remakes you mentioned. Although, they are apparently doing a proper remake of Sailor Moon.

[up] Anime reboots, not actual series reboots.

edited 22nd Mar '14 6:09:52 PM by Saiga

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#5909: Mar 22nd 2014 at 6:11:58 PM

With most of the directorial staff being Pretty Cure Staff for that one, yep.

In fact, they have some Princess Mononoke staff for that adaptation (called Sailor Moon Crystal). yeah.

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FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5910: Mar 22nd 2014 at 6:19:16 PM

[up][up][up] Yeah, didn't you hear about it? Hell, they announced it nearly two years ago. Google "Sailor Moon Crystal"

[up][up] Dragon Ball Kai doesn't really count as a remake in my opinion, it just another remastered version of Dragon Ball Z, but this time it was actually a great improvement. A true remake or reboot would have covered the beginning of Dragon Ball to end of Z.

Salior Moon Crystal is a full blown reboot, hell the producer of the show even clarified that it won't be remake (ala Dragon Ball Kai)

edited 22nd Mar '14 6:22:58 PM by FireShadow

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5911: Mar 22nd 2014 at 6:24:55 PM

It might not count to you, but it's certainly Toei's answer to one.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#5912: Mar 22nd 2014 at 6:31:42 PM

Dragon Ball will probably get a remake at some point in the future although I don't expect to see one within the next decade. It could even take longer.

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#5913: Mar 22nd 2014 at 6:51:58 PM

I might not have agreed a while ago, but considering how popular remakes are....

That being said, those other remakes have differences between Anime and Manga canons, and the remakes are usually about taking the best stuff from both, and adding in some new twists.

Dragon Ball added a lot of filler, but didn't have any large differences between Manga and Anime. It started and ended the same way, with only some extra details added in.

While there are lots of things I'd like to see happen, I don't know if Dragon Ball will ever get any kind of remake.

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FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#5915: Mar 22nd 2014 at 7:13:41 PM

If not a remake then a reboot would work. There are a lot of interesting ideas introduced in the series that could have used more exploration.

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5916: Mar 23rd 2014 at 1:31:19 AM

@Fire Shadow: every character of note (and even some that really don't matter, like Kibito) has been given, if not a number, at least a concrete place in the relative power hierarchy, in the manga, guidebooks, or both. Combine that with the fact that we already know how the battle power system works, have a bunch of characters throw out stuff like "I'm only using half my power", have BOG telling us that the saiyans never surpassed Freeza in base even with five years of post-Buu training (putting an upper cap on things), and have the multipliers for the SS forms in the guidebooks, and it's not that hard to guess the general range they're at at least, if you know where to look. Only a few things are cryptic.

I doubt that a "reboot" in the way some of you are thinking would happen.

Somewhat related: King Cold has a pretty cool English Kai voice. Too bad he sucks.

edited 23rd Mar '14 1:31:52 AM by sockpuppet1

FireShadow (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5917: Mar 23rd 2014 at 6:36:21 AM

[up] Here's a cool fact, the guy voices King Cold in the Funimation dub of Dragon Ball Kai, Jason Douglas, is the same person who voices Beerus in Battle Of Z! And for the record, he plays an awesome Beerus and will most likely retain the role when Funimation eventually dub Battle Of Gods in then next 10 years. tongue

edited 23rd Mar '14 7:14:50 AM by FireShadow

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#5918: Mar 23rd 2014 at 8:05:13 AM

I'd pay to see that movie. And then the follow up can be something based on King Vegeta. And then all my DBZ dreams would have become reality.

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#5919: Mar 23rd 2014 at 9:00:53 AM

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have BOG telling us that the saiyans never surpassed Freeza in base even with five years of post-Buu training

"what?"

Where did you get this from? You're talking about Battle of Gods?

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5920: Mar 23rd 2014 at 10:50:05 AM

In the movie, upon first meeting Goku, Beerus (who can sense ki) says he doesn't think Goku can beat Freeza in base, but that he can by becoming a Super Saiyan first. Kaio responds with "Yes. That is correct. You are well informed", and Goku responds by transforming.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#5921: Mar 23rd 2014 at 11:09:56 AM

well,Goku at base can have a power level of 5 if he doesnt raise it.might be non canon,but look at the OVA with Turble.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#5922: Mar 23rd 2014 at 11:18:04 AM

Goku not being able to surpass Frieza in base doesn't seem weird to me. He's 3 million at the time of his fight with Frieza so he would have had to jump over 100 million. That's just pushing it way too much especially when you consider that most of his increased strength later on comes from mastering new forms of Super Saiyan rather than improving his normal power level.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#5923: Mar 23rd 2014 at 11:26:49 AM

hmm.thats true i guess.considering zenkai is around a 1.5(?) boost his base should've increased quite a bit ,with all the beat downs.

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5924: Mar 23rd 2014 at 11:32:43 AM

[up][up][up]Different circumstances. There, he's being read while eating and relaxing, and when misread responds by saying he's suppressed and powers up within his base. In other words, he stops suppressing himself.

In BOG, he is sensed by a master ki senser while training (I.e. a situation where he has no reason to be suppressed), and when given Beerus' estimate he not only doesn't contradict it, like he did with Tarble, he supports it by transforming. Kaio also outright said "Yes. That is right", and he should know how strong Goku is.

[up][up]Both, actually. Their bases do actually become tens of times greater than what Goku was on Namek by the Buu arc and beyond... just not over 40 times greater. And going by Toriyama saying that BOG was their maximum base strength, and Beerus assuming there's still something of a big gap between base Goku and Freeza, the saiyans' base forms most likely got to a hundred million at the highest

edited 23rd Mar '14 11:33:47 AM by sockpuppet1

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#5925: Mar 23rd 2014 at 11:36:13 AM

I have no evidence but I'm going to assume they top out at around 70 million at the most. It's a massive jump from where they were on Namek but it's not something stupidly high like 120+ million without any enhancements. Screw what Cooler says.


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