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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59201: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:07:46 PM

Yes, just leave those other people who aren't lucky enough to be blood related to me to die...

He couldn't get to them in time. People say that as if he went out of his way not to get to them but Satan, Dende, and the dog where closer and he could just leave them.

Again, Vegeta didn't even try and to get any of them, and yet for some reason no one holds that against him.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59202: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:09:00 PM

It seems more like Karrot randomly decided to visit those characters...

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#59203: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:10:18 PM

[up][up]Goku has Instant Transmission, 'too far' is a rather BS excuse.

Vegeta can't move that fast so his options at helping were non-existent.

edited 18th Jun '17 10:11:40 PM by Memers

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59204: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:11:11 PM

Edit

edited 18th Jun '17 10:11:41 PM by randomness4

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#59205: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:11:51 PM

He also saved Dende.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#59206: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:12:06 PM

Never mind.

edited 18th Jun '17 10:12:29 PM by Memers

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59207: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:12:35 PM

He needs to focus & concentrate to use Instant Transmission & the planet was literally gonna be destroyed any second so Goku's concentration was most likely shot especially after his plan on defeating Buu backfired by releasing an even more insane version.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59208: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:14:01 PM

People probably don't hold it against Veggie because he was just following Karrot's actions...

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59209: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:14:40 PM

Instant Transmission takes concentration, which was kind of hard to maintain in that situation. That's why the fused Supreme/Kibito Kai had to come and get them, because Goku couldn't IT them away.

I don't think any of us think Goku is the greatest father ever, but at this point it seems like some of you are intentionally trying to make him seem worse by holding completely unreasonable things against him. Things that other characters wouldn't have held against them.

edited 18th Jun '17 10:15:16 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59210: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:22:34 PM

I would love to see Goku talk about parent stuff with Superman though, heheh. tongue

edited 18th Jun '17 10:22:43 PM by slimcoder

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#59211: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:30:57 PM

I feel like Chi chi clearly molding Goten as a substitute for Goku says a lot about how she was handling that whole thing...

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#59212: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:33:51 PM

[up] Till she doesn't need a mini-Goku anymore and it's back to bitchy mom mode.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59213: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:41:22 PM

I mean, Goten seemed to be getting de-Gokufied by the time of the epilogue.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#59214: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:48:42 PM

Honestly all I remember about that is that 4 year old Pan beat his ass.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#59216: Jun 18th 2017 at 11:19:47 PM

the reason that we dont hold vegeta accountable for his unarguably shittier actions is because we hold goku to a higher standard than vegeta

when goku, defender of earth and fighter for justice, fails to live up to perfect expectations of being a parent or husband we criticize his actions because as the hero he should be better than this. he's the hero.

but when vegeta, anti-hero and evil guy turne good, does anything even half-decent we praise him because he could've been (and was) once worse. he respect what little effort he does put forth because we dont expect him as the darker, previously sinister, counterpart to goku to actually be a great guy.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#59217: Jun 18th 2017 at 11:27:20 PM

I mean, Goku's not those things, though.

He punches evil in the face because it's a thing to punch in the face. Not because it's evil.

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#59218: Jun 18th 2017 at 11:32:51 PM

i mean

that's how toriyama says he wrote goku. and that seems to be the idea that people are clinging onto

but his actions and words dont really reflect that. like at all.

edited 18th Jun '17 11:33:06 PM by EpicBleye

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59219: Jun 18th 2017 at 11:34:40 PM

And yet he was willing to use the Dragon Balls to bring Bora back to life, even though he had only known Upa for like a few hours and that it meant losing his grandfather's Dragon Ball, again. Plus, like it or not, this is still a guy capable of using the Spirit Bomb, riding the Nimbus, and no-selling the Devilmite Beam, which specifically worked by making the evil in a person's heart increase exponentially until their heart exploded, meaning that Goku is without evil intent.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59220: Jun 18th 2017 at 11:50:37 PM

I think this is a good video on the subject.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#59221: Jun 19th 2017 at 12:12:58 AM

Because Toriyama didn't think of it.

Pretty much the answer to anything Dragon Ball.

"Mai waifu."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#59222: Jun 19th 2017 at 12:26:00 AM

Goku said it best during his time with 17 in Super; He's not some "Hero of Justice" type who goes out of his way to right wrongs, rescue kittens from trees. He's just interested in getting stronger and fighting strong opponents. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean he's just gonna turn a blind eye to people getting hurt in front of him for no reason. He literally obtained the most esteemed status of his race because his best friend was murdered and his son was threatened.

He's, at worst, a hero with an unconventional moral compass but very clearly cares about the people around him, even if he doesn't always express it positively. Yet, people seem to treat him like he's some sociopath who doesn't care about anything around but fighting. I know Super kind of flanderizes him a bit, but even that's nowhere near to the exaggeration that fans take it. Ron the Death Eater is in firm effect here.

It's even more baffling when Vegeta gets the Draco in Leather Pants treatment. Yea Goku's the hero, doesn't mean he has to be held to the highest moral standard ever and that failing to meet that suddenly makes him an irredeemable villain.

edited 19th Jun '17 12:27:44 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#59223: Jun 19th 2017 at 12:46:18 AM

Goku is not a hero of justice but his recent portrayal in Super really didn't endear him to his audience and fans. If Vegeta of all people is portrayed as being somewhat better than Goku then I blame the writers for flanderizing Goku.

I got this from Kanzenshuu forums:

Masako feels as if Goku's writing has been incredibly inconsistent in Super and Toei has done a terrible job with exaggerating his faults and personality traits to unbelieveable levels. We saw it beginning with U6 arc, and it got way worse in Future Trunks arc with how stupid and forgetful, and overly simple and one-dimensional Goku was. Masako now blames Goku's current character once again on bad Toei writing. He makes the argument (which I 100% agree with and think that people who make the "Goku has always been this way!" argument should listen to this video) that Goku has indeed always had these character traits of selfishness, and not necessarily being the "hero", but being a guy who just likes to fight who also does good things. However, Masako argues that this situation is way different. This is on a universal level. Goku is being told he's going to be responsible for the death of the innocent lives of 7 whole universes, yet doesn't even react towards that. It's another example of Goku's character faults being pushed to ridiculous levels, and another example of his flaws being grossly exaggerated.

edited 19th Jun '17 1:04:41 AM by GAP

"Mai waifu."
BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#59224: Jun 19th 2017 at 1:39:58 AM

It seems like some have developed a very Broken Pedestal towards Toriyama and Dragon Ball because of Super, but I'm not criticizing them for it.

I'm not sure if I should really look forward to watching Super on Toonami anymore. I certainly don't look forward to seeing the fallout from the ending of the Future Trunks saga.

Maybe it's just a side effect of growing up, but I feel quite comfortable critiquing this franchise now. If Toriyama and Toei are just in it for the money, I'd rather they just let this franchise die a dignified death, if it isn't already past the point of no return.

I once felt very sad in 2003 when DBZ ended its run on Toonami. I had no idea where my next opportunity to watch the rest of the series would come from. Well, be careful what you wish for.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59225: Jun 19th 2017 at 2:32:05 AM

But the way it ended was positive...despite Trunks' doings...

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