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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59176: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:30:02 PM

[up]I mean, he literally had no idea she was pregnant. That's not really something to hold against him.

And are we debating the toxicity of Goku's marriage now? I feel like that would be wrapped up much sooner than fathering discussions.

edited 18th Jun '17 9:31:30 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59177: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:30:07 PM

Yeah I'm not sure Goten was planned.

Was the kid planned or an accident, did they ever say?

edited 18th Jun '17 9:30:28 PM by slimcoder

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#59178: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:32:54 PM

Goku is a literal alien with a foreign sense of morality and values. I think most of people's issues with him is that he doesn't conform to our human way of thinking...ya know, despite he's not human lol. Think people kind forget that little part.

Goku probably doesn't see anything wrong with his behavior, and Chi Chi is fine with it for the most part, she just wants to motivate him to do more than just be a fighter. In fact, most of their arguments aren't even about their marriage but their children and living situation.

[up] Goku had no idea Goten existed until the Buu saga.

[down] He. Was. Dead!!!

edited 18th Jun '17 9:34:54 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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#59179: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:33:52 PM

Goku never knew about it.

He spent 7 years with the gods of the galaxies and he never thought to ask how his family was doing.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59180: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:34:18 PM

Even then, how do you think Chichi would have taken it when she found out she was pregnant again, and Goku wasn't there anymore to help her raise them, or help deal with her term; there's probably some consequences to having a human mother carry a Saiyan baby inside her, due to the whole different species thing.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#59181: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:36:01 PM

Once again, Goku was DEAD. How can you hold something against him when he had no idea he had a second son OR the fact that as far as him and his family were concerned, they'd never see each other again until his family passed on.

Like come on.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59182: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:37:01 PM

I mean, we are never told of any complications when she had Gohan or when Bulma had Trunks. I'd be more curious about how the delivers and all that stuff was handled even with Goku there. Pregnancy and childbirth aren't without risk no matter the situation, and Chichi lives a pretty isolated life.

edited 18th Jun '17 9:44:25 PM by LSBK

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59183: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:37:21 PM

Yes, and this is CHICHI; people don't seem to understand that everyone in this series is an asshole, and that includes every wife as well.

[up] That and the amount of food you'd need to eat for the baby to use for growth is probably tripled, because again, it's a Saiyan.

edited 18th Jun '17 9:38:18 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#59184: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:38:00 PM

Videl is no asshole.

She's classy. She's classy as hell.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59185: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:38:46 PM

I'd argue Chi-Chi doesn't help herself by constantly yelling at Goku to do stuff. I honestly think if she took the time to explain things like why a job & spending time with his family is important instead of bitching at him Goku would do it no problem.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#59186: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:38:54 PM

I mean.

Like, Goku was with gods who should be able to get this info.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59187: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:39:26 PM

...and the whole blackmailing Gohan into attending a tournament that he didn't want to even enter until he heard his dad was going to be there as well, doesn't count?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59188: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:40:16 PM

[up][up] Well then that's on them for not telling him.

I think Goku just finally moved on from the mortal plane which explains his lack of interest on Earth & the people there aside from occasional curiosity.

edited 18th Jun '17 9:40:41 PM by slimcoder

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#59189: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:40:20 PM

...Like, Goku could even have asked for info to prepare before his day back.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#59190: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:41:35 PM

To be fair, if I were dead and could see how my family was doing, I don't think I could. Seeing them grow up and change without you would be melancholy as hell.

edited 18th Jun '17 9:45:02 PM by LordVatek

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#59191: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:41:56 PM

[up]

Nope. That was one time.

I'd argue Chi-Chi doesn't help herself by constantly yelling at Goku to do stuff. I honestly think if she took the time to explain things like why a job & spending time with his family is important instead of bitching at him Goku would do it no problem.

I honestly wonder if explaining it to Goku would even matter. If he doesn't care about something, then it'll be in one ear and out the other.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#59192: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:45:17 PM

I don't blame King Kai for not telling Goku about his family. Guy has a whole Galaxy to watch over with seven inhabited planets lol, he's probably much too busy.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59193: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:45:24 PM

Honestly, behavioral development is just as much nurture as it is nature, so how is it that despite being raised and treated as human, a weird human but a human regardless, for the first 30 years of his life, that Goku barely acts human at all except for a few rare cases, most of which can be mostly explained by the head trauma he faced as a kid drastically altering his behavior during that age?

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59194: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:47:54 PM

He spent a majority of his life living alone before Z and Grandpa Gohan didn't even properly explain to him what a girl was.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59195: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:50:07 PM

Yes, which is why I also said he was treated as a human by everyone else he met; not his fault like 80% of the people he met are...kind of dicks in general. Even then Goku was still willing to help people he had just met maybe a few minutes to an hour beforehand, like with Turtle, Soba, and Upa, when he never had any incentive to do so at all beyond him being helpful.

edited 18th Jun '17 9:52:34 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59196: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:52:17 PM

His marriage should also be one held in question. He barely knew what the concept was & only accepted it just to be nice.

Thank God Chi-Chi's not an awful person...... well a lot more than she already is.

[up]x7 He prolly wanted to surprise himself on how his friends & family are doing.

edited 18th Jun '17 9:53:03 PM by slimcoder

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59197: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:54:17 PM

To be fair, Goku seems to be kind of an isolated person. Not one of his friends met Gohan or knew he existed until he was four years old.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#59198: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:57:12 PM

Which is weird, because someone that isolated really shouldn't be able to make friends that easily. I'm more wondering how that reunion at the beginning was even organized, how they were able to contact Goku to tell him about it without Gohan being brought up at all, or why it took them four years to decide on meeting up again at all.

edited 18th Jun '17 9:57:30 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59199: Jun 18th 2017 at 9:58:41 PM

Because Toriyama didn't think of it.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#59200: Jun 18th 2017 at 10:05:33 PM

Instead of rescuing his sons from the Earth blowing up he chose Satan and his dog.


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