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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59101: Jun 18th 2017 at 6:27:20 PM

Well he is a simple guy after all.

What was his reason for staying dead?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59102: Jun 18th 2017 at 6:28:48 PM

[up]He figured the world would be safer if he stayed dead, because most bad guys tend to either be directly or indirectly after him.

[up][up]To be "fair" he didn't even consider them family then.

edited 18th Jun '17 6:29:51 PM by LSBK

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#59103: Jun 18th 2017 at 6:32:55 PM

[up] To be fair, he was pretty right. No Goku means no Raditz, no Nappa and Vegeta, no Freeza, and possibly no Androids and no Cell. Moving past that, it also means no Beerus, no Gold Freeza, no U6/U7 Tournament, no Zamasu, and no Tournament of Power.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59104: Jun 18th 2017 at 6:48:52 PM

Well, Golden Freeza might have still shown up looking for Trunks or to just kill the remaining Saiyans.

It is funny how many people Goku manages to piss off, though.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#59105: Jun 18th 2017 at 6:51:36 PM

If Goku hadn't arrived on Earth, Freeza wouldn't have happened at all. He'd still be dicking around in space doing whatever so he'd never die to Future Trunks and so on.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59106: Jun 18th 2017 at 6:53:28 PM

Lets not forget both Piccolos either.

Pilaf only released him in a desperate attempt to finally beat Goku, and Junior exists because of Goku killing the senior Piccolo.

edited 18th Jun '17 6:53:48 PM by HandsomeRob

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59107: Jun 18th 2017 at 6:53:57 PM

An invasion of Earth would haven been inevitable though.

You can really understand Goku's desire to train Uub as a protector of Earth after realizing that no matter what eventually something is gonna try to destroy his friends & family.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#59108: Jun 18th 2017 at 6:56:36 PM

Buu only woke up on the day Goku came back, but. Like, Buu's egg cocoon thing has apparently been embedded in the Earth for 5 million years. So Buu being there isn't a Goku thing. And Babidi was apparently planning on hitting up the World Tournament for a while.

Goku and company apparently exceeded Babidi's energy needs by a lot, but. Like, he could have probably sucked enough humans dry to wake Buu up.

Like, Cell and the androids could have killed enough humans to prevent that. But Dabura and Babidi could probably have sucked the androids and/or Cell instead.

Or just taken Buu somewhere else.

And without Goku, yeah, Cell wouldn't be a thing, but that means more humans for Buu.

Plot twist for the Goku Black arc: the reason Zamasu is spending so much time on Earth in Trunks's timeline is that Buu killed all life everywhere else.

edited 18th Jun '17 7:02:31 PM by unnoun

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59109: Jun 18th 2017 at 7:07:39 PM

Even if that plot twist wasn't true, Randomness finds it pretty positive that he destroyed that timeline...

Even if he ended up dying.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#59110: Jun 18th 2017 at 7:12:57 PM

...unnoun, meanwhile, is pretty positive that is completely irrelevant to the point she was making.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#59111: Jun 18th 2017 at 7:17:44 PM

Okay, but...it was brought up, so I can take something away from it even if that wasn't the point.

Which is what I always do.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59112: Jun 18th 2017 at 7:28:47 PM

Boo was released because Vegeta was pissed because Goku was there. And because Goku indulged Vegeta in their sparring match.

Even though Goku was speaking from the perspective of people coming after them, a better argument is how he will let a situation become worse for his own wishes. In that regard, he is right to argue the Earth may be safer without him.

Also it's not like people don't have the ability to send messages to Goku via Uranai Baba or Dende. And Grandpa Gohan only bothered to contact Goku when he came back from the dead for a day, and was only going to do that when Goku went to Baba.

It's not a Goku thing. The entire cast consider the living and dead to be separate, outside of that one day to visit. Both sides have the means to contact each other, but don't do so. It's probably a cultural thing in-universe.

@unnoun: I'm confused - Majin Boo wasn't released in Trunks' timeline, Trunks stopped them.

edited 18th Jun '17 7:30:08 PM by Saiga

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59113: Jun 18th 2017 at 7:33:59 PM

Is it really a cultural thing though, since Goku is completely willing to teleport to the Afterlife, while alive, just to train on King Kai's planet?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#59114: Jun 18th 2017 at 7:35:12 PM

[up][up] ...Shit, did that get mentioned in Super and I forgot?

Also. I mean, Gohan Sr. seems to know a little bit about what Goku's been up to in a broad sense. Enough to know Goku was going to Baba. So there's a difference between contact and. Observing.

edited 18th Jun '17 7:38:17 PM by unnoun

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#59116: Jun 18th 2017 at 7:49:55 PM

Why do you think the opposite? What has Goku done to ever give an impression that he doesn't want to spend time with his family, or at least anymore so than Vegeta. I'm genuinely curious.

Probably has to do with how he jumps at leaving to train with King Kai/Whis at every opportunity.

And geeze, there is really no need to get so salty at Piccolo is Gohan's dad statements. It's pretty clear what the reasoning behind it is. Gohan and Piccolo share a strong bond, which was probably not intended to be but can be interpreted as parental. And after Piccolo stopped being evil he never did any shitty things to Gohan, while Goku does a bunch of shitty things throughout canon and filler, so Piccolo comes off way better in comparison, even though he does way less actual fathering.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#59117: Jun 18th 2017 at 8:01:24 PM

Piccolo also stopped spending any time with Gohan after he stopped being evil, except when he was invited to join Goku and Gohan in training.

@unnoun - Gohan told Baba to contact him if Goku came. So he wasn't actively doing anything.

@Gojira That started with BOG, though, and could just be a change in the portrayal of Goku's character over the years. In the manga when Goku was alive he spent 10 years with his family.

edited 18th Jun '17 8:02:38 PM by Saiga

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#59118: Jun 18th 2017 at 8:03:43 PM

Clearly Piccolo spends more time with Gohan recently. He seems to be a reliable sitter for Pan.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59119: Jun 18th 2017 at 8:05:46 PM

You know what?

I'm just gonna say they all suck.

Goku is a crappy dad, Vegeta is a crappy dad, Piccolo is two crappy dads, Satan is a crappy dad, Gohan is a crappy dad, Cold is a crappy dad, Krillin is a crappy dad, Dr. Briefs is a crappy dad, Bardock is a crappy dad, everyone is awful.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#59120: Jun 18th 2017 at 8:10:54 PM

And geeze, there is really no need to get so salty at Piccolo is Gohan's dad statements. It's pretty clear what the reasoning behind it is. Gohan and Piccolo share a strong bond, which was probably not intended to be but can be interpreted as parental. And after Piccolo stopped being evil he never did any shitty things to Gohan, while Goku does a bunch of shitty things throughout canon and filler, so Piccolo comes off way better in comparison, even though he does way less actual fathering.

Even assuming that's true, it still comes off as shallow and poorly thought out, without regard for actual context and the feelings of the characters involved.

To a lot of people, this isn't a joke but something they're serious about, in which case, there's nothing wrong with pointing out all of the holes in the argument.

edited 18th Jun '17 8:20:06 PM by LSBK

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#59121: Jun 18th 2017 at 8:20:56 PM

I see it like this: Making jokes that Piccolo is a good dad for Gohan is fine. Seriously saying that Goku is a bad father and using that as a criticism of the character is not fine.

Like this. Stuff like this is great.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59123: Jun 18th 2017 at 8:24:01 PM

[up][up] Awwww now that's just precious. waii

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