Like, the only problem I had with Trunks` spirit sword and power ups in the Anime is that they're literally treated like Big Lipped Alligator Moments. They're never referenced or elaborated on and there are no consequences either. It's literally just...there.
And hey look at that, we have actual fucking battle damage
edited 17th Jun '17 1:01:14 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Man, I can list every single problem with the Android and Buu sagas. Don't let them nostalgia goggles blind you.
I'd say the series was pretty consistent with itself until after Freeza, which makes sense because everything up to Freeza had something of a connection.
edited 17th Jun '17 1:19:07 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.I agree with that. I just don't think that should excuse the Manga's own issues and that people treat it as some pinnacle of storytelling that Super fails to live up to. Super does have many issues, but I don't feel like they're that big to the point of being an "inferior" follow up to the series.
But that's only my opinion, there are plenty of people who denounce Super as a poor follow up to the series overall.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Goku knowing how to Hakai...
If they explain it, I'll deal with it, even though it seems like something that should be purely unique to Gods of Destruction.
One Strip! One Strip!I'll give ya the Buu Saga, that's where the issues became more prevalent.
Also I found this little snippet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSEo1DPr7KE
Damn now that's epic how Goku pretty much made Ice his bitch & going full papa wolf for harming his family. Now GT had its problems but its these moments that it did pretty well.
As well it showed me the origin of this particular piece of fan-art.
Edit: Ah shit I can't post it. Well its the one where a Golden furred SS 4 Goku is doing the thing he's doing to Ice with Beerus instead looking like the cats about to piss his pants.
edited 17th Jun '17 1:31:55 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ah alright.
Also here's the finale of the Ice fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwKQKf6of7Q
Man even when blinded you can't keep Goku down. Just punch a hole through the mothafucker.
Huh how many times has he used Dragon Fist in GT cause he uses it a good amount of times?
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Fusion Zamasu melting into goo was in the outline.
Vegeta's new Gamma Burst Flash blows up 2 Fusion Zamasu
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edited 17th Jun '17 2:35:09 PM by VeryMelon
Goku knowing Hakai first struck me as odd, but it is an opportunity to learn more about it. It could be something Whis taught Goku, or something that Goku picked up instinctually as he becomes more of a god.
I also like that it's not some instant-win technique either, because some people thought Beerus' Hakai would let him destroy anyone. It still might be too powerful for Goku to have in the future, but at the very least it won't be an issue in the next arc because Goku can't kill his opponents.
Getting bored of this arc by now, though. Maybe because we've now seen the manga's take on everything and I expect this to now be pretty similar to the anime until the end (Zeno coming in etc) which will still take a while due to the monthly schedule.
As for comparing Super and the original series, I agree with LSBK that even with the original's flaws it isn't the same as Super. I too can find plenty to criticize in the Android and Boo arcs - and I can do this with Namek and early parts of the series as well - but it's still more consistent and enjoyable than either medium of Super is.
So I wouldn't say that the Black arc is no worse than other arcs in the franchise, it's got some cool ideas but is hit with Super's general oddities and really deteriorates further into the arc.
I did like Zamasu and Black as characters. Toriyama showed that he can still take extremely fanfic concepts like Evil Goku and Future Trunks returning and make them more palatable, so I do think the arc had potential to be really good even though the initial premise sounds bad. But it really didn't live up to that, and Toriyama's writing is not as enjoyable here.
So I wouldn't call the manga some pinnacle of story telling. It just looks that way when Super is so below it.
edited 17th Jun '17 2:56:18 PM by Saiga
I'm split about Goku knowing Hakai. On the one hand, I've been waiting for ages for them to introduce some kind of concept that makes having divine level power exceptional, beyond being stronger than the newest bad guy and such. Some kind of divine superpower or perk that people with mortal ki could never achieve no matter how strong they got. On the other hand, I feel like Hakai itself was set up as a function of Beerus' position, and it beaing simple technique to be copied like Goku always does might actually pull the opposite way and diminish its weight as a godly ability.
But meh, it makes for a cool action scene either way.
edited 17th Jun '17 2:59:29 PM by KnownUnknown
I agree with that. Just some extra expansion on the ability and what it means would be nice. I definitely would rather it tied Beerus' position like some of the other godly abilities are.
My idea for how Godly ki could be made more special was that it could protect someone from being Hakai'd (and possibly other godly effects) so Beerus couldn't just do that to God Goku. I guess then he'd have to destroy Zamasu the normal way, unless Zamasu isn't enough of a God to be safe.

I can buy Whis teaching it to Goku at some point during training.
edited 17th Jun '17 12:52:31 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."