Wouldn't that basically make it the mortal equivalent of SSGSS then; both of them are upgrades to the form before them, which suffered from being able to make full use of their powers due to primal mindlessness in the case of the Golden Oozaru, and the time limit inherent in the Super Saiyan God form (and the form basically having Regigigas' Slow Start in the Super anime).
A Super Saiyan God 4, a Super Saiyan God SS4, or the requirements for Super Saiyan White?
edited 14th Jun '17 10:33:31 PM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!@Epic Bleye: Super Saiyan God isn't really gone. For starters, the manga used more often; hell, we even saw Vegeta using it.
And, in any case, Super Saiyan Blue's name IS Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. It is pretty much going Super Saiyan AS a Super Saiyan God.
So yeah, Goku going Blue Kaioken means he is using Kaioken, Super Saiyan AND Super Saiyan God. The anime has this habit of spamming that form, but here is hoping the Manga tackles it.
I pretty much got every saiyan transformation, mutation and deviation that I could think of off the top of my head. I didn't include regular Kaioken, Ultimate, Runaway, Fruit of Might, regular Majin, regular Villainous or regular Supervillain forms because anyone could gain such power-ups.
edited 15th Jun '17 11:38:58 AM by Rinsankajugin
Yeah, SSG is still around some.
Oh, on the Superman commentary, it was relatively recently revealed that Nu52 Supes and Rebirth!Supes were both half of the Post-Crisis!Supes and they recently recombined into one person. All of Supes' feats from New 52 until he foiled Mr Myxptlk's latest machination were, at most, half of his potential.
edited 15th Jun '17 5:06:04 AM by Zeromaeus
If Super Saiyan 4 were to exist in Super, I see no reason why it wouldn't be possible to get yet. It'd be outclassed by Super Saiyan Blue so there's no reason for Goku or Vegeta to get it, but the conditions have nothing that excludes them from getting Super Saiyan and Blue at the same time. And Super Saiyan God is still around in the manga, just outclassed by Super Saiyan Blue.
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I saw it when he put it up.
Not sure if I totally agree with the Piccolo thing, but at the same time, considering the end result, not sure if I disagree either.
One Strip! One Strip!They can be; Neither Super Saiyan 4 or Super Saiyan God and Blue have defined multipliers like the weaker forms. The best we s fan can do is cobble together guesses and estimations from various databooks and statments.
For example, we have the GT Perfect Files telling us Super Saiyan 4 Goku is about Super Saiyan Buu Saga Vegito's level of power. By GT Goku's base form is as powerful as Kid Buu, a being that originally required Super Saiyan 3 Buu Saga Goku to match. If we take the estimation that Super Saiyan 4 is a x4000 multiplier, it makes Super Saiyan 4 Goku x4000 stronger than Kid Buu and Base Buu Saga Vegito x80 stronger than Kid Buu.
Now, that level of power was only possible for GT Goku due to his base form already being absurdly strong, which is where we get into the scaling issues present in Dragon Ball Super. in the Anime we have proof that Goku and Vegeta are stronger in base form after absorbing Super Saiyan God, thanks to Copy-Vegeta vs. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. In the manga both Goku and Vegeta can still use Super Saiyan God as a weaker transformation than Super Saiyan Blue, and Enhanced Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks almost equally Super Saiyan 3 Goku, proving that their base forms are still around the their Buu Saga levels. This difference in medium therefore effects every other being Goku and Vegeta have to fight, making Super Saiyan Blue's actual power enhancement too difficult to gauge.

Well yeah I guess but why get rid of a good design?
edited 14th Jun '17 10:28:09 PM by slimcoder
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