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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#58851: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:27:59 PM

Well yeah I guess but why get rid of a good design? tongue

edited 14th Jun '17 10:28:09 PM by slimcoder

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#58852: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:29:21 PM

I figure Super Saiyan 4 replaces Golden Ape. It's basically the perfected form, right? All the power but none of the berserk?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#58853: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:32:01 PM

Super Saiyan 4 + God Power?

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#58854: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:32:34 PM

Wouldn't that basically make it the mortal equivalent of SSGSS then; both of them are upgrades to the form before them, which suffered from being able to make full use of their powers due to primal mindlessness in the case of the Golden Oozaru, and the time limit inherent in the Super Saiyan God form (and the form basically having Regigigas' Slow Start in the Super anime).

[up] A Super Saiyan God 4, a Super Saiyan God SS4, or the requirements for Super Saiyan White?

edited 14th Jun '17 10:33:31 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58855: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:36:22 PM

Well God mode is basically Super's own transformation while SS 4 is GT's.

I take SS 4 as reaching in to a primal source of power even older than both SSJ & SSG. Hell you can justify SS 4 Gogeta's red hair as his power is slowly encroaching that of God mode.

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DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#58856: Jun 15th 2017 at 1:04:13 AM

Just in case this hasn't been posted yet.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#58857: Jun 15th 2017 at 4:19:27 AM

@Epic Bleye: Super Saiyan God isn't really gone. For starters, the manga used more often; hell, we even saw Vegeta using it.

And, in any case, Super Saiyan Blue's name IS Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. It is pretty much going Super Saiyan AS a Super Saiyan God.

So yeah, Goku going Blue Kaioken means he is using Kaioken, Super Saiyan AND Super Saiyan God. The anime has this habit of spamming that form, but here is hoping the Manga tackles it.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#58858: Jun 15th 2017 at 4:20:40 AM

I got bored and made one of those "Saiyan Transformation" trees that people have been doing recently.

I pretty much got every saiyan transformation, mutation and deviation that I could think of off the top of my head. I didn't include regular Kaioken, Ultimate, Runaway, Fruit of Might, regular Majin, regular Villainous or regular Supervillain forms because anyone could gain such power-ups.

edited 15th Jun '17 11:38:58 AM by Rinsankajugin

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#58859: Jun 15th 2017 at 5:05:32 AM

Yeah, SSG is still around some.

Oh, on the Superman commentary, it was relatively recently revealed that Nu52 Supes and Rebirth!Supes were both half of the Post-Crisis!Supes and they recently recombined into one person. All of Supes' feats from New 52 until he foiled Mr Myxptlk's latest machination were, at most, half of his potential.

edited 15th Jun '17 5:06:04 AM by Zeromaeus

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58860: Jun 15th 2017 at 5:09:48 AM

If Super Saiyan 4 were to exist in Super, I see no reason why it wouldn't be possible to get yet. It'd be outclassed by Super Saiyan Blue so there's no reason for Goku or Vegeta to get it, but the conditions have nothing that excludes them from getting Super Saiyan and Blue at the same time. And Super Saiyan God is still around in the manga, just outclassed by Super Saiyan Blue.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#58861: Jun 15th 2017 at 5:14:40 AM

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 4.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#58862: Jun 15th 2017 at 5:17:17 AM

I am wondering if it would be outclassed or not, the both shows are so inconsistent on how powerful those forms are, I would expect that they would be pretty even.

edited 15th Jun '17 5:17:27 AM by Memers

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58863: Jun 15th 2017 at 5:23:18 AM

Why can't God form have the same evolutionary line as the regular Saiyan forms?

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 2?

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#58864: Jun 15th 2017 at 5:30:10 AM

Stamina draaaaaaaaain! Wooooo~

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#58865: Jun 15th 2017 at 5:38:58 AM

[up]X9

I saw it when he put it up.

Not sure if I totally agree with the Piccolo thing, but at the same time, considering the end result, not sure if I disagree either.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#58866: Jun 15th 2017 at 7:53:29 AM

Well even if Super Saiyan Blue and Super Saiyan 4 have the exact same level of power, Blue would be better since it doesn't require the Blutz waves. Goku gets around this because he's the protagonist and also shut up, but for Vegeta it's a downgrade.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#58867: Jun 15th 2017 at 7:55:32 AM

I mean, Goku also had a tail when he went Super Saiyan 4; Vegeta didn't.

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#58868: Jun 15th 2017 at 8:13:17 AM

obviously this means its time to bring back tails into the series

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#58869: Jun 15th 2017 at 8:24:39 AM

[up] Can we bring in Knuckles too?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58870: Jun 15th 2017 at 8:49:42 AM

I am wondering if it would be outclassed or not, the both shows are so inconsistent on how powerful those forms are, I would expect that they would be pretty even.

They can be; Neither Super Saiyan 4 or Super Saiyan God and Blue have defined multipliers like the weaker forms. The best we s fan can do is cobble together guesses and estimations from various databooks and statments.

For example, we have the GT Perfect Files telling us Super Saiyan 4 Goku is about Super Saiyan Buu Saga Vegito's level of power. By GT Goku's base form is as powerful as Kid Buu, a being that originally required Super Saiyan 3 Buu Saga Goku to match. If we take the estimation that Super Saiyan 4 is a x4000 multiplier, it makes Super Saiyan 4 Goku x4000 stronger than Kid Buu and Base Buu Saga Vegito x80 stronger than Kid Buu.

Now, that level of power was only possible for GT Goku due to his base form already being absurdly strong, which is where we get into the scaling issues present in Dragon Ball Super. in the Anime we have proof that Goku and Vegeta are stronger in base form after absorbing Super Saiyan God, thanks to Copy-Vegeta vs. Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. In the manga both Goku and Vegeta can still use Super Saiyan God as a weaker transformation than Super Saiyan Blue, and Enhanced Super Saiyan 2 Future Trunks almost equally Super Saiyan 3 Goku, proving that their base forms are still around the their Buu Saga levels. This difference in medium therefore effects every other being Goku and Vegeta have to fight, making Super Saiyan Blue's actual power enhancement too difficult to gauge.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#58871: Jun 15th 2017 at 9:22:44 AM

It doesn't help that power levels at this point are pretty relative nowadays.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#58872: Jun 15th 2017 at 10:23:07 AM

I agree with that video. Cutting out Frieza's second and third forms and just giving him one form would have been better for the story.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#58873: Jun 15th 2017 at 11:03:14 AM

I'd say keeping second form, but skipping third, would be optimal in my opinion.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58874: Jun 15th 2017 at 11:08:17 AM

I'd agree with cutting Second Form at least. It doesn't quite matter as much in the context of the entire Freeza fight.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#58875: Jun 15th 2017 at 1:38:03 PM

I'd the say the second form matters to establish that Frieza can transform. There's no narrative significance for his third form

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