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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#58826: Jun 14th 2017 at 6:25:56 PM

I mean, ignoring the fact he had access to Wind Style jutsus as far back as Part 1, the thing involving him enhancing his sand with Wind Style chakra happened in Naruto: The Last, which I think was out by that point in time.

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#58827: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:18:33 PM

Yeah, I just watched Lazuli VS Captain Marvel and I kept pausing the video to complain to Shark about how everything they said about Lazuli was either wrong or a vast understatement.

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#58828: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:19:10 PM

What is the connection between 18 and Carol Danvers? I mean, at first Venom and Bane don't seem that familiar, but they have a theme (Both are Breakout villains from the dark age of comic books), but what is 18 and Carol connection?

One absorbs energy and the other has infinite energy?

Is similar to Ramona and Amy Rose: A pretty shallow comparison. Also, i'm still pissed off about that fight, and this is coming from someone that... still likes Sonic.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#58829: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:25:31 PM

I mean, it's not like this series is kind to people in terms of giving them actual feats; remember, they don't use power scaling as that is ultimately a theory, so they only rely on a character's feats, which isn't really that good. Look at Goku; barring his fight with Beerus in the anime, the highest feat of destruction Goku has ever done was destroying an island in the Frieza Saga, and that was with a Spirit Bomb. Even then the highest level of destruction in the main series has been destroying planets, and half the time that can be explained away by destroying the planet's core.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#58830: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:32:28 PM

Of course, they flat out say that the reason a lot of their attacks don't destroy the Earth and such is because they're intentionally controlling their power to prevent such from happening.

Going off of "feats" doesn't mean much when the characters have that level of restraint and regularly exercise it.

edited 14th Jun '17 7:45:22 PM by LSBK

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#58831: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:35:40 PM

Dragon Ball is one of those series where even the weakest of the main fighters is probably a planet buster. Going off of Super, that'd be either Tenshinhan or Roshi and it's somewhat reasonably to assume that Ten became more powerful than Saiyan Saga Vegeta by the Boo Saga (of course, it's impossible to say) and he and Roshi are absolutely stronger going by Super.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#58832: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:42:19 PM

[up][up] Is there actually a source for that comment though, or is it actually an Urban Legend of Zelda?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#58833: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:44:53 PM

Vegeta said it in his battle against 18, I believe. There are probably other comments to the same effect.

Honestly, it gets to the point where you have to be willfully underselling the characters to think that the things they are saying are just hyperbole.

edited 14th Jun '17 7:47:23 PM by LSBK

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#58834: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:48:51 PM

Fighters shooting energy blasts that are strong enough to hurt super saiyans but conveniently only destroy a couple rocks when they whiff is just one of those silly things about DBZ you shouldn't think too hard about and just go with the flow.

edited 14th Jun '17 7:49:21 PM by Moth13

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#58835: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:56:58 PM

I'm pretty sure at this point Goku is stronger than Superman. I mean as strong as he is the latter isn't a God & has upper limits that he can't just smash through by training. He's not even a planet buster & once needed to be teleported to the center of the Earth to save it before almost dying from the heat & pressure.

I wonder if Sodam Yat when he was merged with the Green entity of Will Ion could handle Goku though?

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#58836: Jun 14th 2017 at 7:57:41 PM

If you make each transformation make the fighter more powerful, it's no longer a balanced game; if Yamcha can fight evenly with first form Frieza, then Golden Frieza should steamroll him, breaking the game balance. If Yamcha can fight evenly with Golden Frieza, then Yamcha should steamroll first form Frieza, also breaking the game balance. The only way the game can maintain balance is if first form Frieza is equal to Golden Frieza, which is rather silly.

That's only true if every transformation is a steamrolling amount of difference, which is not the case. The Budokai games can range from 5-80% increases, which is a wide range that absolutely can be felt at the higher end but does not automatically make one character stomp another.

Aside from raw strength, movelist and combos are just as important and can make a transformation-less character still be competitive.

In Shin Budokai AR, characters movelists change with their transformations, usually getting less useful moves while gaining an increase in raw strength. Super Saiyan 1 Gohan and Ultimate Gohan are both viable characters for different reasons. Asymmetrical balance.

Budokai 3 can even make transformations a hindrance in some matchups, thanks to Yakon and the way baseline ki operates. But the guard break effect is also useful (along with the damage boost and extra ki) so transformations are also useful in other matchups.

There's no hard rule for what can't be balanced.

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#58837: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:00:17 PM

I mean, New 52 Superman also flew thru black holes, and has shown off a top speed capable to at least Beerus; and again, he was still able to bench press the weight of the entire Earth for five days straight, while deprived of sunlight the whole time, and only sweated a single drop after all was said and done.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#58838: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:02:16 PM

On the other hand, Goku has never been shown to blow out a star like a candle while in space. Then again, using feats from the Silver Age is probably cheating.

And no, this wasn't a lame excuse to mention a really weird scene from a comic book. Why do you ask?

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#58839: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:05:07 PM

Plus, Superman in general also has stamina feats that far outclass everyone in this franchise, and is just as much of a combat genius as Goku, has just as much combat experience as Goku, all of which is helped by a super brain that can sometimes be thousands of times better than a supercomputer.

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#58840: Jun 14th 2017 at 8:19:19 PM

Unless Batman is anywhere nearby, in which case he becomes completely useless.

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#58841: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:00:06 PM

I still think the sheer number of transformations alone in Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super ruins any attempts at making an in-depth, accurate, and completely balanced fighting game. Now, you know what could make for a really awesome and balanced fighting game? Dragon Ball. As far as I know, there's only two or three Dragon Ball focused fighting game in existence (not including the Dragonball Evolution fighting game), and one of them's actually only half of a much better platformer. Just the lack of transformations alone would make a traditional fighter based solely on Dragon Ball much more competitively balanced than any fighting games that currently exist made from Z.

edited 14th Jun '17 10:05:47 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#58842: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:03:35 PM

So...moving on from this stuff, do you think Goku would still be capable of transforming into a Golden Oozaru after gaining Super Saiyan 4, or would the state be completely lost to him like Super Saiyan God was in the movies and Super anime?

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#58843: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:06:51 PM

oh that reminds me

am i the only one who's rather disappointed that super saiyan god is just.. gone?

because imo super saiyan god looks way way cooler than SSGSS. mostly because of that red color scheme and how it works with goku's natural hair.

though i suppose it was a bit too similar to the kaio ken...

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#58844: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:11:17 PM

Well, would it be possible to use the Kaioken with it too? Would it have a double aura as well if you could?

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#58845: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:12:25 PM

goku would just be like. super red.

as an aside i'm baffled that super saiyan god, SSGSS, oozaru, and ssj4 aren't transformations in Xenoverse 2. especially with SSGSS, given how much hype that they seem to be giving it. though i suppose that saiyans have too many transformations already. as it is only a couple of them are even worth using.

edited 14th Jun '17 10:14:18 PM by EpicBleye

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#58846: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:12:33 PM

What were the requirements for transforming into the Golden Great Ape?

[up] It be both pink & red.

edited 14th Jun '17 10:13:00 PM by slimcoder

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#58847: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:15:24 PM

Technically if it was a double aura, it would be the Kaioken aura with God's flame aura inside it.

[up] As far as we know, just to have a tail and be in possession of Super Saiyan; we don't know if the other Super Saiyan forms are required, but Bebi Vegeta did transform into one from his equivalent Super Saiyan 3 form.

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#58848: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:15:28 PM

  1. having a tail
  2. being able to go super saiyan
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edited 14th Jun '17 10:15:42 PM by EpicBleye

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#58849: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:24:33 PM

Alright then conjure a situation for Goku to regrow his tail.

Hell even bring back Kid Goku for as long as it takes for him to see the Moon & go berserk.

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#58850: Jun 14th 2017 at 10:26:53 PM

Wouldn't 4 be pointless though since Goku technically has SSGSS to fall back on?

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