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I bet none of those people even used them either. Everyone just goes straight to their final forms.
And now I am remembering that Arcsys aren't new to making alternates to existing characters lol. There's three versions of the main villain in Blazblue and obviously Order Sol and Robo Ky from Guilty Gear. Blue Goku and Vegeta seem likely now.
edited 13th Jun '17 6:08:18 AM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Gohan was 4 at the start of Z. About one year passes between Raditz and Vegeta, making him 5 (it's a bit under a year but there are enough smaller time skips to make up the difference). A year passes between Namek going boom and Goku returning, making him 6. Three years pass between that and the Androids, making him 9. He spends about a year (bit less, actually) inside the HTC, making him 10. Seven years pass before Boo, making him 17. Ten years pass before the epilogue, making him 27.
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!The extra slots are justified in some cases like with Teen Gohan and Ultimate. But then it gets dumb like having three different Goku's and Vegetas in BT 3.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Tenkaichi 3?
Early, Mid, and Late-Series Goku. Sounds reasonable to me given the way the game's movelist were designed.
Each had their own iconic finisher/transformation. Early only gets the Kaioken rush attack Goku used on Nappa, Mid is the one that gets Super Saiyan and the Angry Kamehameha/Instant Kamehameha don't remember which, and Late gets everything from Super Saiyan 2 to 4 and Super Dragon Fist. You could lop all of these together but for roleplaying purposes you'd have to be extra-careful not to use certain moves, or switch moves around to fit certain battles.
Same deal with Vegeta: Early gets Dirty Fireworks, Mid gets Final Flash (I think), not sure what Late got, and Majin got the self-destruct.
edited 13th Jun '17 6:27:36 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!...doesn't change the fact that it makes roleplaying more convenient and fun? Unorthodox is not the same as being an objectively poor decision.
Six slots, yes, and yet Tenkaichi 3 still probably has the highest number of characters out of every Dragonball game (sans Fusions) and still managed to be playable, and probably still made a much larger roster than Extreme Butoden and Xenoverse, and every Tenkaichi and Budokai before them. If this actually prevented the roster from being gigantic then I would have a problem.
Meanwhile Super Saiyan 4 is DLC for Xenoverse.
edited 13th Jun '17 6:36:35 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Except that Raging Blast had a single Goku character that was easily able to cover everything Early, Mid, Late Goku did and far more. Tenkaichi's division was absolute bullshit, all it meant is that you couldn't always have the form you wanted in the costume you wanted
edit: As for the roleplaying thing and being careful, that's incredibly stupid. Not only is it super fucking easy to just not use the supers that you don't want to (assuming they're all equipped unlike in the far superior customization systems) but how is that a benefit over being able to do something with a character that's not a copy-paste of a moment from the show? One of the video game's biggest flaws is assuming things only work when performed in the exact way they were in the show.
edited 13th Jun '17 6:41:50 AM by Saiga
That's the thing; most people just want to play and reenact the show instead of actually having a good and well designed game.
That's why BT 3 is so popular despite half it's roster being weird as fuck (seriously, Devilman?)
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.The problem is you shouldn't expect DBFZ to have a huge roster at launch with the amount of effort that's seemingly going into this. Making the cel-shaded models that ASW does takes a ton of time and resources.
I'd rather that effort go into completely new characters than alternate forms. Save those for the inevitable DLC/rereleases.
Yeah but Raging Blast sucked.
...such as?
You can play as Super Saiyan 3 Goku... in the costume that Goku wore during that time period.
Also, modding for that game is insane for anybody that needs these extra costumes you apparently can't access.
And that's presumptuous.
And that's the point where we're clearly not going to agree.
It's almost like people are playing a video game based off an anime they watched when they were kids for wish fulfillment. Perish the thought.
And I mean Budokai 3 and Infinite World and Xenoverse kind of set a standard for "balance."
Screw that, the Devilman side mission was great.
That's not what anyone's expecting (least not where I jumped in). But having an issue with extra character slots in a game that has a large roster to begin with is silly.
In DBZF's case not adding Super Buu or Super Buuhan would pretty much nullify any point to adding Ultimate Gohan or Gotenks if there's to be a story mode, since they fought mainly during those periods.
edited 13th Jun '17 7:03:07 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!If I wanted to relive the show...Id watch the show :v if you're going to make a game, make an actual game instead of an obvious cash grab
In fact, we have a trope for this very situation. Id rather DBF avoid that.
edited 13th Jun '17 7:08:06 AM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Raging Blast 1/2 are fine. They're not great, but neither are the Tenkaichi series. The games really aren't that different, and RB's Goku is far superior to Tenkaichi's for having everything on one character at literally no cost at all.
Being stuck in the time period appropriate costumes for the transformation is EXACTLY the problem. I don't see how keeping things exactly the same is more 'wish fulfillment' than being able to play around and do things differently. The fact that you need mods to fix what the division of characters did does not speak highly for separating them in the first place.
There's nothing presumptuous about saying it's easy not to use the 'non-compliant' abilities - the commands for them are so stupidly easy a retarded gerbil could play a character faithfully to the story. Don't want Goku to use the Meteor Combination? Don't push Triangle, Up and L2 at the same time. I have to assume you never actually play fights with characters unless they fought against each other in canon, for accuracy.
No it isn't. Not if you actually understood what the problem with splitting characters over multiple slots was in the first place.
The Budoukai games did it. If they did it all those years ago, it can be done now. In fact, Xenoverse more or less does it with your CAC. Just give a similar system to the canon characters and you're golden.
edited 13th Jun '17 8:04:37 AM by Zelenal
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You'd take those three over Semiperfect Cell and Frieza and Buu's lesser forms? And Gohan (Potential Unlocked) and Piccolo (fused w/ Nail) and Kibitoshin?
edited 13th Jun '17 5:51:51 AM by Soble
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