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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#58576: Jun 9th 2017 at 9:17:34 PM

i dont have to agree with anything

also i want to point out that she really WASN'T around for that long, or used much. I'm not sure why being present but in the background is so harmful either.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#58578: Jun 9th 2017 at 9:28:33 PM

i dont have to agree with anything

Don't be rude.

edited 9th Jun '17 9:28:39 PM by Moth13

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58579: Jun 9th 2017 at 9:28:35 PM

Wait, 18 was able to charge ki in Supersonic Warriors 2, so what was the issue?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#58580: Jun 9th 2017 at 9:37:53 PM

It's my opinion that tertiary characters should never be written out. If you are a creator, all of the characters are your creations, and it's your job to keep track of them. Even Eighter gets appearances more often than Lauch, even if they're just the occasional cameo.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#58581: Jun 9th 2017 at 9:52:14 PM

[up][up][up] is joke

[up][up] I don't know specifically, but I do know the game balance in that series is all over the place so it's probably related to that.

[up] That doesn't even make sense. So the old lady from the village Oolong terrorized should have never been written out? Characters being written out is a completely natural thing.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#58582: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:10:38 PM

After doing a damn bit of research, I'm fine with writing tertiary characters out. Launch was not a tertiary character. She was a secondary character for three whole arcs, and she deserved better than to be forgotten.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#58583: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:20:02 PM

Well, the primary/secondary/tertiary division is subjective and changes a lot for different mediums (film being the biggest one).

By some definitions only the main character is primary, which bumps everyone else down a grade. That's too far in one direction. The other extreme is that anyone with a repeat appearance is secondary (which may be valid for film, as repeat appearances don't happen without much reason). But in comedy, tertiary characters can have multiple appearances for the sake of a running gag.

There is a gulf of difference in the importance of Lunch and a secondary like Yamcha. It is very clear that she was not intended for a secondary role, and she doesn't deserve anything. Also, she wasn't forgotten - she was written out, and we know Toriyama had her in mind for at least 3 of the 4 arcs she didn't appear in.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#58584: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:28:50 PM

Launch did not exist solely for a gag. She had a character beyond that and sometimes she helped out on situations. She was around long enough and prominently enough to more than qualify as a secondary character.

Also, don't forget that she hasn't even been mentioned at all in all five arcs of Super so far. Again, Eighter has more consistent appearances than her, and I'm not okay with that.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#58585: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:36:23 PM

Turns out Launch was evil enough to qualify not being resurrected by the dragon. Who knew?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#58586: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:40:44 PM

I never said she existed solely for a gag. That was one reason tertiary characters may reoccur. And tertiary characters can help out, which she's only done very rarely anyway. Her appearances are incredibly minor, the tournament announcer has comparable screentime.

I'm not forgetting it, I just don't care about Super.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#58587: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:42:16 PM

I mean, Kale is kind of Launch.

This song needs more love.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#58588: Jun 9th 2017 at 10:58:16 PM

Hmm, so after Launch died her soul was reincarnated as Kale ala Buu into Uub. I see I see...

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#58590: Jun 9th 2017 at 11:03:00 PM

She's got the opposite of what Marron, Goten, and Trunks have.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#58591: Jun 9th 2017 at 11:04:32 PM

she stole their age for herself

she'll steal everyone's age if she isn't stopped

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#58592: Jun 9th 2017 at 11:07:48 PM

Well I don't need four of these years of my life right now, so she can have them.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#58593: Jun 9th 2017 at 11:44:11 PM

>18 wasn't balanced at all in Supersonic Warriors.

Heh, good ole arcsys

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#58595: Jun 9th 2017 at 11:53:13 PM

Their games tend to be very dumb in some cases; I'm kind of fan both Guilty Gear and Blazblue and all of their....qualities.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58596: Jun 10th 2017 at 12:00:02 AM

Sol vs Goku?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#58597: Jun 10th 2017 at 12:05:08 AM

[up][up] see now i'm interested since i've only really heard positive things about them

are balance issues common? I was lead to believe otherwise

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58598: Jun 10th 2017 at 12:09:46 AM

Hell, get Terumi in this, he's already a God of Destruction himself.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#58599: Jun 10th 2017 at 12:31:58 AM

[up][up] Well that depends on the person. Some people don't mind it, while others fucking hate it sometimes. Both games are pretty solid all around and every character is unique in the respective game.

But honestly, neither Blazblue or Guilty Gear at their worst even comes close to the silliness that the Fist of the North Star video game they made.This game is a treasure.

If you're interested, Guilty Gear and BlazBlue have a pretty..."interesting" lore that you can read about. They're pretty extensive by fighting game standards, and I personally spent a lot of time filling out Blazblue's since I'm such a fan.

edited 10th Jun '17 12:35:32 AM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#58600: Jun 10th 2017 at 12:57:11 AM

Anyone who's wondering how Supersonic Warriors 2's balancing worked: each character had a preset amount of stars they're worth which was also how strong they were, and there was a limit to how many stars you could have total on a three man team. Sounds fine, except there were ways to maximize the amount of stars possible for your team, and how much each character was worth was almost arbitrary and really oddly biased. The stars also still applied in Story Mode, so it led to things like Kid Gohan's first fight being against Super Saiyan Goku in the Time Chamber.

1 Star: Kid Gohan, Ginyu, and Dr. Gero

2 Stars: Krillin, 18, Freeza, Future Trunks

3 Stars: Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, and Mecha Freeza

4 Stars: Teen Gohan, Super Saiyan Trunks, Semi-Perfect Cell, and Cooler

5 Stars: Super Saiyan Goku, Super Saiyan Vegeta, base Gotenks, and Metal Cooler

6 Stars: Perfect Cell, Fat Buu, Super Saiyan 2 Kid Gohan, and Broly

7 Stars: Super Buu and Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks (and Majin Vegeta, though he only cost the same as Super Saiyan Vegeta)


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