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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#58151: Jun 4th 2017 at 3:31:26 PM

My ship may be dead, but not my fanon of Kale being the princess of all Saiyans in exile.

I have spoken!

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58152: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:05:35 PM

I still find Kale's justification pretty dumb, especially since a) her Super Saiyan form is stated to be a berserker state of the form, which makes no goddamn sense since Goku's justification for going Super Saiyan would be a lot more likely to make him go berserk like that, instead of Kale basically being yandere, and b) Broly actually did have the better justification, because Goku crying isn't the only damn thing he had to deal with; he was nearly stabbed to death as a baby, thrown into the trash with his father, nearly blown to oblivion along with his planet by the most evil tyrant in the entire universe, and got forced under mind control, by his own damn father, since he was at least a teenager, as his dad spends the next couple decades of his life manipulating him for his own revenge against the royal family. Seriously, the man would have been mentally broken from all the stress by that point, and Goku showing up not only awakened his repressed memories and gave him a bad case of PTSD (which would have been amplified even further by the rest of the shit he went thru), as well as potentially gave him a glimpse of what his life could have possibly been like if his own hadn't been shat on so much.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58153: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:08:12 PM

Broly and Kale both have goofy reasons for being the way they are. I find it incidental to claim one is worse than the other.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58154: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:08:22 PM

Huh Broly really did have a lot of potential.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#58155: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:12:28 PM

[up][up][up] All of that would have been great character development and justification for his villainy. And it makes for a fantastic headcanon/fanwank/fanfiction.

But in the "real" world, all we have to go on is

KAKAROT!

KAKAROT!

KAKAROOOOOOT!

My various fanfics.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#58156: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:14:25 PM

Yes, all of that is his backstory. But none of it aside from the baby crying thing is ever brought up as his motivation for hating Kakarot and everything related to Kakarot.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58157: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:18:34 PM

Well maybe if people would actually think about it for more than 5 seconds, then maybe people would understand it; and really, is going Legendary because you're basically a female yandere who wants senpai to notice you actually any better of a justification?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#58158: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:21:15 PM

Him hating Goku is only due to the crying, but everything else can at least be used to explain him going insane and evil. Though, even that just seemed to be apart of being "The Legendary Super Saiyan".

Of course, after the first move, going "KAKAROT!" is all that there is to him, and even in the first their was admittedly already little, or they squandered what they did have.

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#58159: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:21:31 PM

[up][up]Yes. Yes it is.

edited 4th Jun '17 4:36:51 PM by UdtheImp

DAMMIT MARK, STOP HITTING HELPY!!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58160: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:24:02 PM

No, it really isn't; the fact the second female Super Saiyan in this series needed that kind of justification for her powers is just dumb as well. Like seriously, could they have gone any route with it beyond "possible yandere".

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#58161: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:27:35 PM

If the first Broly movie were written so that he wanted to kill Goku because he was in love with him and he hated that he was already taken, I would have been okay with that.

edited 4th Jun '17 4:29:06 PM by LordVatek

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58162: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:27:47 PM

We shouldn't have to assume. If they wanted Broly's anger to be something mainly other than Goku's crying they should have clearly done so but instead they didn't so his origin is just cause of a baby crying as a result.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#58163: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:28:59 PM

The whole thing could have been solved with him wanting to beat Vegeta's ass instead.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58164: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:33:46 PM

Except they shouldn't have to do that, when literally all the pieces are right there for it. Hell, he's even more tragic, since this low class Saiyan has a family, friends, a relatively peaceful life, and great power, and what does he have; he's the Legendary Super Saiyan, the most powerful of their race in generations, yet he's nearly killed twice over as a baby just for existing, the second time the person doing so didn't even know he existed, and he's currently being mind control by his own father. That's literally all he has to his life; he's just a tool to be used by his father at his discretion, and he'll never have anything more than that.

edited 4th Jun '17 4:34:15 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#58165: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:35:48 PM

[up][up]Or with him associating Goku's crying with being stabbed in the chest, the destruction of his own, the awakening of powers he can barely control, being made a slave by his own father, and basically everything that went wrong in his life, on top of legitimate reasons to hate Vegeta and stuff.

But that would take actual effort, so KAKAROT!!! it is.

edited 4th Jun '17 4:35:58 PM by HandsomeRob

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58166: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:36:35 PM

Well they didn't in the end.

He just became a mindless berserker who can only utter Kakarot & who's issues apparently stem mainly from an incident that happened at infancy.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#58167: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:39:11 PM

I mean, the second movie also had him nearly killed, again, and then trapped in ice for seven years with his rage just festering within him; he probably snapped even further because of that, especially since it was Kakarot who did this to him. And the third movie can just be explained away by Bio-Broly being nothing but an imperfect clone of Broly, so even more could have been messed up in the creation.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#58168: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:42:58 PM

Wait, is Cabba the senpai that she wants to notice her, or the other girl?

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#58169: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:43:16 PM

Broly could have wanted to kill Vegeta as Revenge by Proxy against his father for stabbing him. Broly could have stopped at just taking revenge against his own father for enslaving if. Hell, he could have wanted to kill both Goku and Vegeta for being fellow Saiyans, feeling betrayed by his own race. But instead, Broly only targets Goku solely for the crying. Not because its a psychological trigger, not because its brings up memories of how bad his life is. ONLY THE CRYING. Broly had an entire laundry list of Freudian Excuses that perfectly justified him being a murderous berserker, but he settles for the most stupid.

[up]Cauli is the senpai.

edited 4th Jun '17 4:45:08 PM by UdtheImp

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DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#58170: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:45:05 PM

"No, no, I hate you [Vegeta]. Well... I hated your father, and therefore you. Broly hates Kakarot. Because he cried. For like, three hours." -Abridged Paragus

edited 4th Jun '17 4:45:21 PM by DarkHunter

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#58171: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:46:03 PM

Which is kind of dumb, since Caulifla isn't actually being chummy with Cabba most of the time, yet that is apparently more than enough for Kale to want to kill him/go berserk over it.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#58172: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:46:23 PM

I think it's supposed to be Cabba she wants (given how a canon same-sex romance in Dragon Ball seems incredibly unlikely) but she has way better chemistry with Cauli so that's what I go with.

edited 4th Jun '17 4:47:23 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58173: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:48:03 PM

Well she is a Saiyan.

Their not exactly the most rational or well intelligent people really.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58174: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:48:21 PM

I'm not sure any romance was ever implied at any point.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#58175: Jun 4th 2017 at 4:48:38 PM

...Ya know, that's actually plausible. Especially since Cabba was the one she specifically targeted

I want that, just so I can see the tears of /u/

[up] Don;t doubt Super.

edited 4th Jun '17 4:49:39 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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