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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#58076: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:38:09 PM

What if Trunks went back to a different time period?

     

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Demetrios Making darkness adorable since 1999 from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#58077: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:38:27 PM

I hope they still have Majin Buu spazzing. XD

Come on! Let's bless them all until we get fershnickered!
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58078: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:40:09 PM

[up]×3

Right, it's not like she became a Super Saiyan God or blue on her first transformation.

She's not even the strongest member of team U6, which is still Hit.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:41:06 PM by Cortez

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58079: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:42:46 PM

[up]x5 Except both of them are Half Saiyans, which have been stated numerous times to possess more potential than full-blooded Saiyans, and the fact that they would have trained to gain the forms as Gotenks, who's technically a Half Saiyan as well, means he'd probably have both of their massive potentials to draw on during said training. Hell, I'm pretty sure it was even stated that the two of them were training in the Chamber as well.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:43:04 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58080: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:46:14 PM

Her gender is irrelevant. Would it be as bad if she was a guy?

The point of her & Kale's existence is to provide more teammates for their universes as well as bringing in more Saiyan's.

There is clearly no more intention to naturally bridging these characters power gaps logically so they basically said fuck it & just made the two new Saiyan's as strong as the protagonists so they are a legitimate threat.

Honestly I thought we all long accepted already that Super does not have consistent power-scaling. Its clearly just to get the plot moving & for whatever looks fun & entertaining.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:51:15 PM by slimcoder

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#58081: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:46:58 PM

I would have more of a problem with Caulifa getting SSJ 2, but the form itself is kind of pointless she's got second weakest transformation. Her getting it with no fanfare whatsoever is stupid, but Super itself has been stupid in general, so it's just another moment to add to the pile.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58082: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:50:57 PM

[up][up] I would have been just as annoyed if it had been a male doing this, because it still reeks of idiocy; even Goten and Trunks didn't have this much ease with gaining Super Saiyan (Trunks had been training in high gravity with his father, and it was flat out stated that the two of them trained/played together a lot beforehand), and it literally feels like the whole tingling feeling thing was thought up simply to justify Caulifla and Kale getting their respective states in time for the tournament.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58083: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:52:28 PM

[up]

Actually, Trunks and Goten did gain their Super Saiyan forms with ease. And Trunks didn't gain in the gravity chamber. Vegeta had no idea Trunks became a Super Saiyan.

And Kale got her form via anger. What are you talking about?

[up]×4

That's not true these days though.

edited 3rd Jun '17 10:01:14 PM by Cortez

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#58084: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:55:45 PM

@U6 saiyans: This is a series where Frieza became as powerful as a Super Saiyan God by doing sit-ups for four months.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58085: Jun 3rd 2017 at 10:00:04 PM

Really the problem isn't how Cauli & Kale got it but its that they were given less then two days tops to reach these transformations so it of course it was gonna be bullshit no matter what.

Its Super, who else could it be?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#58086: Jun 3rd 2017 at 10:00:42 PM

Frieza is basically an overpowered freak of nature who practically bleeds all the power he has because he's too lazy to i mprove hims unless properly motivated.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58087: Jun 3rd 2017 at 10:02:43 PM

[up][up]

Except compared to how other characters climbed the rankings, it's not bullshit at all. At the very least, it's tamer by comparison.

[up]×3

Right. And their leap isn't as big as Freeza's.

edited 3rd Jun '17 10:04:54 PM by Cortez

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58088: Jun 3rd 2017 at 10:14:28 PM

I was referring to Caulifla gaining Super Saiyan 1 and 2 within minutes; after all the shit that Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, and Future Trunks had to go thru to get to the second level, she gets to it without even knowing of its existence, without any training, unlike Goten and Trunks who actually did train to get 1, and without some kind of intense rage. Kale getting Legendary Super Saiyan first time is also kind of bullshit, especially since it's not even stated to be a mutation or anything like Broly's, and is instead supposed to be some "berserker state" of the Super Saiyan form in the promotional material. Yes, because obviously none of the other Saiyans have ever reached a level of rage that could potentially lead to them go berserk.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#58089: Jun 3rd 2017 at 10:19:28 PM

[up] Goku and Vegeta achieved the second form off screen.

And frankly, it's no different than literally every or power up that's been given away like candy in Super. 17 suddenly being on the level with Super Saiyan Blue? Sure. Roshi being able to take on Freeza's soldiers and even hang with Goku's base for? Why not. Gohan jumping major spikes after slacking for years because he got serious for training for a few hours. Of course.

I don't necessarily see Kale and Caulifla as the hill to die on here.

edited 3rd Jun '17 10:22:18 PM by Lionheart0

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58090: Jun 3rd 2017 at 10:22:40 PM

[up]x2

Except Trunks and Goten didn't train to gain regular Super Saiyan,Goten couldn't even fly when he became a Super Saiyan.

They literally pulled it out nowhere, especially since Gohan and Vegeta didn't even know they where Super Saiyans.

And you're assuming Kale's Berserk form is something anyone can do and that's not the case.

edited 3rd Jun '17 10:28:00 PM by Cortez

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58091: Jun 3rd 2017 at 10:23:56 PM

Except Gohan has been training with Piccolo ever since the thing with Frieza happened; hell, Goku and Vegeta go to ask him to join the tournament with Universe 6 while he was training with Piccolo.

[up] It is flat out stated that him and Trunks trained together before on a near regular basis, it's just that no one was even aware they were doing this and that they just saw it as playing together.

edited 3rd Jun '17 10:25:25 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58092: Jun 3rd 2017 at 10:30:19 PM

Not really. More importantly, whatever they did obviously wasn't as intense as how Gohan and Vegeta became Super Saiyans. He'll, focusing energy probably explains why they gained Super Saiyan.

Unless we're to believe they became Super Saiyans because a toy of theirs broke. Whichever way you cut it, how Trunks and Goten became Super Saiyans was probably far more ridiculous, as it is with everything they do.

At least Caulifla and Kale we got to see on screen. And Caulifla is older and has more combat experienced.

Honestly, their situation makes more sense and wasn't off screen.

edited 3rd Jun '17 10:42:50 PM by Cortez

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#58093: Jun 3rd 2017 at 10:44:42 PM

Why are some of you still trying to rationalize this stuff, and why are some of you still this bothered by it? At this point we should all know how Super operates.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#58094: Jun 3rd 2017 at 11:11:00 PM

It's an interesting thing that both Caulifla and Kale are rather unique in terms of becoming Super Saiyans. Caulifla can do it without the rage requirement, it just comes natural to her. Whereas Kale needs the rare requirement but once she taps into it she becomes... well... She-Broly, and is thus also uniquely gifted.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58095: Jun 3rd 2017 at 11:11:52 PM

[up]×2 It's not just Super in some cases. Some of it is typical Shonen.

Regardless, like Black Yakuza said, the forms she gained aren't the strongest Super Saiyan forms anymore anyway.

edited 3rd Jun '17 11:12:49 PM by Cortez

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58096: Jun 3rd 2017 at 11:15:27 PM

Isn't the Legendary Super Saiyan form supposed to put you into a class all on your own?

Its an extremely powerful form genetically unique to only Broly & I guess Kale now.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#58097: Jun 3rd 2017 at 11:16:02 PM

What does whether they're the strongest forms or not have to do with poor execution and justification?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#58098: Jun 3rd 2017 at 11:48:06 PM

Gotenks ABSOLUTELY trained to get Super Saiyan 3, they bloody state it outright. Don't make things up to make it seem similar to the current situation.

But yes, LSBK is right. There is no point really discussing this since you either roll with Super's inconsistency or don't.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#58099: Jun 3rd 2017 at 11:55:56 PM

Yeah since Frieza died on Earth he ended up in Earth's hell. In fact this was also mentioned on tonight's episode of DBS on Toonami and the original Resurrection of Frieza movie.

And ohhhhhhh boy it didn't take long for this thread to start throwing around "Mary Sue". I'm not surprised but I'm still disappointed.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58100: Jun 3rd 2017 at 11:58:05 PM

[up] Hey only one person is throwing out the M-word.

I am completely fine with how things are going regarding Cauli & Kale.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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