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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58051: Jun 3rd 2017 at 8:54:19 PM

So wait, if there's multiple King Yenmas, does that mean there's multiple Hells, multiple Afterlifes in general, and more than four Kaios to a quadrant, or are there still only four Kaios?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#58052: Jun 3rd 2017 at 8:57:42 PM

[up]Only 4 Kais. Remember that King Kai is far away from Yenma's palace as well.

edited 3rd Jun '17 8:58:07 PM by Envyus

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58053: Jun 3rd 2017 at 8:59:05 PM

Except don't the two of them exist in the same Afterlife, considering the fact that Goku was able to physically run between the two locations?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#58054: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:00:00 PM

[up]Yeah along a long road, maybe you could continue to find a different afterlife from that road.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:00:11 PM by Envyus

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58055: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:00:36 PM

[up]×4 Yeah, it's why Freeza mentioned being in "Earth's hell".

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:01:43 PM by Cortez

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#58056: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:02:11 PM

@hardcore: Devil's advocate, much?

Anyway, I keep hoping for a scene in the tournament where Kale zeroes in on Frieza and basically does a rendition of the scene with the Hulk smashing Loki almost frame for frame. XD

DAMMIT MARK, STOP HITTING HELPY!!
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58057: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:04:20 PM

Doesn't that mean the multiple Afterlifes physically intersect with each other then, and that there's some Prime Afterlife that the Kaio live in? Hell, how do the multiple Hells work then, if they're apparently specific to each individual person in existence; do they correspond to other Afterlifes, are the specific Hells merely sections of a larger Afterlife that is specific to the planet, how is Goku able to even teleport to or sense anything in these Afterlifes, if they're apparently 4-dimensional at this point? Is there also multiple Heavens now too?

[up] Except Frieza still has his Golden Form, which gives him power rivaling Saiyan Gods, which would be far beyond anything a mortal Super Saiyan could ever achieve.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:05:45 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58058: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:04:59 PM

Yeah, i see Kale and Caulifla curbstomping Freeza.

And Kale isn't beat for beat like Broly anyway.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#58059: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:05:17 PM

this isn't that situation though, and isn't really comparable to this one considering literally every other major character in dragon ball is male

When did Bulma become male? If you mean literally every fighter you're still wrong, but not nearly as much, but regardless the situation as described still sounds very problematic. It's just problematic in a different way.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:07:14 PM by LSBK

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58060: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:07:11 PM

Not really, since it's not shown as ok.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#58061: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:08:43 PM

These things often aren't shown as explicitly okay, but you're still tactically assumed to not put them on the same level as if the situations were reversed. As people often do when discussing things like Videl's fight against Spopovich.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#58062: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:08:55 PM

Kale was repeating the same lines Broly makes. Has the same mannerisms...they're not really all that different.

Also, Frieza would mop the floor with Caulifla at the very least....he is beyond SSJ 2 at this point. Wouldn't be surprised if he's stronger than Kale too.

Not to mention that he told Goku that he can gain even more strength.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:14:40 PM by hardcorefakes

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58063: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:11:09 PM

I mean, doesn't help that Caulifla is really getting close to Mary Sue territory, since she's the first ever female Super Saiyan, and she's both trivialized the form to a simple tingling feeling in her back that you focus on and managed to achieve Super Saiyan 2 within 10 minutes of achieving the first form, without any kind of training or rage, or without even knowing that the state even exists, as the only forms these Saiyans are even aware of existing are Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan Blue.

[up] Again, Golden Frieza was stronger than SSB Goku, and only lost to him because of his stamina issues; there is no way a couple of mortal Saiyans are going to be able to do jackshit to him, beyond Mystic Gohan who managed to force his father to use the SSB Kaio-ken.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:13:33 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#58064: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:13:05 PM

Who knows, maybe she feels a rash growing on her foot and turns SSB from that.

Then I'd guess she'd beat Frieza...

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58065: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:15:04 PM

[up][up] Well at least she's a seasoned warrior.

The Super Saiyan transformation was truly trivialized when two young children younger than 10 each managed to achieve the transformation by accident via mundane & harmless training.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#58066: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:18:15 PM

[up][up][up]

Lets hope Frieza has fixed his Golden form's stamina problem then.

Not sure how he'd do that while stuck in Hell, but IDGAF.

Just happy to see Frieza again.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:19:57 PM by hardcorefakes

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58067: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:18:23 PM

Yet those two kids still had to train in order to get Super Saiyan 2 and 3, and that can only be done by them as Gotenks; Caulifla doesn't even know any of the advanced forms exist, yet she could still use Super Saiyan 2 literally minutes after just unlocking Super Saiyan 1.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:18:32 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58068: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:24:16 PM

[up]×6

If you go by such a shallow comparison, sure. But ultimately, they aren't the same.

And Freeza said he could get stronger if he trains, which he won't have the opportunity to do in time for the tournament.

He'll be as strong as he was in Ro F.

[up] No they didn't, least not when it comes to Super Saiyan 3. Gotenks pulled that out of nowhere.

But he's a boy, so people don't have issue with it.

Honestly, how Caulifla is gaining power is common in Shonen anime. And unlike the Goten and Trunks, she at least has the explanation of being a seasoned warrior and being strong in base form.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:33:36 PM by Cortez

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#58069: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:32:43 PM

I'm pretty sure a lot of people had issues with it.

My various fanfics.
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58071: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:33:59 PM

Thanks for agreeing. tongue But yes, if it was Cabba gaining level quickly, it wouldn't be an issue.

Plus he did use the term "Mary Sue", so it does appear to be a gender thing.

[up]×2

Trunks and Goten? Maybe, but it doesn't seem to be brought up recently.

edited 3rd Jun '17 10:07:24 PM by Cortez

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#58072: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:34:52 PM

...except I'm pretty sure they figured out how to do it with the months of training they were allowed in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, between Buu arriving to the Lookout and the stalling Piccolo did when he was taking Buu to the chamber, along with whatever time they had in there before Buu even showed up.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:35:50 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58073: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:34:55 PM

Its just natural DB escalation.

At this point no training is needed because everyone important is naturally at equal level.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#58074: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:36:27 PM

[up]×2

So you're assuming, but even then, it probably took Goku longer.

[up] Right, hell it's text book Shonen scaling.

edited 3rd Jun '17 9:38:08 PM by Cortez

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#58075: Jun 3rd 2017 at 9:36:41 PM

Yeah really not sure why someone magically getting an already inferior form is really that big of a deal given recent power scaling.

This song needs more love.

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