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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#57726: May 29th 2017 at 1:24:28 PM

No. Frieza still wasn't really trying yet in both cases.

Look at Vegeta and Frieza after their clash. Frieza is the same as always, while Vegeta was totally out of breath. It took all he had just to hold Frieza back.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#57727: May 29th 2017 at 1:37:43 PM

[up]×5

It does, yes.

[up]×4

It usually is something from Toriyama's outline though.

edited 29th May '17 1:40:12 PM by Cortez

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#57728: May 29th 2017 at 3:06:56 PM

[up] You realize he was saying that he doesn't care about any of the So L stuff, so citing it as a high point is meaningless to him lol.

People blame Toei because of how rough the first year was with the Animation; except now people blow it out of proportion and blame literally every problem with Super on Toei regardless of their actual involvement. The fact that people also feel like the Manga "fixes" many of the problems of the Anime only exasperates this as most differences between the two, the Anime tends to get the shorter end of the stick regardless of the changes.

In other words, people are stupid and like having an easy target :V

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#57729: May 29th 2017 at 4:28:58 PM

[up] I know. I was just agreeing that it does matter for those who like that.

As for the other stuff, it's interesting that now it's just as likely to see prefer the Anime's interpretation of Toriyama's outline.

These days it seems to go back and forth depending what they are.

edited 29th May '17 4:32:16 PM by Cortez

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#57730: May 29th 2017 at 4:53:39 PM

Vegeta blew up the Time Chamber again?

But why? Why does he keep doing this? Is he just an asshole? He used the door just fine in the Cell Arc.

Popo's going to be pissed.

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#57731: May 29th 2017 at 5:02:38 PM

[up]Canon!Popo can't do anything about it though.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#57732: May 29th 2017 at 5:03:51 PM

But he did the TFS face when he warned him. And everyone knows that Dragon Ball characters are invincible when humor is involved. Yamcha tanked a combined hit from Beerus and Champa for goodness' sake.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#57733: May 29th 2017 at 5:20:25 PM

That reminds me, who rebuilds the lookout every time it's destroyed?

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#57735: May 29th 2017 at 5:49:35 PM

That reminds me, I watched the Tournament Six saga in a row a while back. I admit I skipped it and read the manga because it looks prettier, and yes, the animation is lackluster, but I like how Toei handled the fights better. Hell, I like that Frost is an asshole, his revelation was actually sad.

Is like, they need to put the writers to write the manga and let Toyotaro draw it, it would be a best combination. Cabba fight with Vegeta is miles better in the manga though, it helps they aren't that different in both versions, but Cabba doesn't look like a stick thankfully.

There are a lot of youtube users complaining about Califula obtaining the super form so easily. It appears she avoided being called a Mary Sue thanks to Kid Trunks and Goten doing that shit earlier (And the idea that Goten can transform thanks to Goku being Super Saiyan while doing it with Chichi is pure fanon anyway; Trunks could also do it too and Vegeta wasn't a Super Saiyan when he did it with Bulma.)

Also, I like the pretty colors in episode 93 preview. But i'm with Masako X of being worried, Frieza is one of those characters I don't want redeemed. Is like Orochimaru from Naruto: Him being redeemed is absurd and a stupid example of redeeming villains. Naruto went to hell when even Pedo-murderer-terrorist-creepy scientist Orochimaru could be redeemed and i'm leaving this shit here because I don't wnat the thread to turn into a Naruto complaining post Oh wait i'm already doing so not sorry let's forget that.

edited 29th May '17 5:53:49 PM by Tomodachi

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#57736: May 29th 2017 at 6:13:11 PM

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Popo had the ability to make the ROSAT turn off if Vegeta tried to enter. He may genuinely be banned from it forever.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#57737: May 29th 2017 at 6:16:28 PM

Everyone gets the Super Saiyan form. I don't think Caulifla getting it through focusing on a sensation is that much of an asspull, even if it does casualize the transformation a bit.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#57738: May 29th 2017 at 6:18:25 PM

Goten achieved super saiyan because his mother was a better fighter than him. The casualization ship sailed long ago.

edited 29th May '17 6:18:36 PM by Eagal

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#57739: May 29th 2017 at 6:18:52 PM

Goten and Trunks already did that so... yeah.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57740: May 29th 2017 at 6:20:00 PM

Hell, I like that Frost is an asshole, his revelation was actually sad.

The issues most people had was Frost being way too similar to Freeza. Being evil by itself would be fine.

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#57741: May 29th 2017 at 6:45:12 PM

Still, the revelation was shocking, and he had enough attributes to be different from Frieza. With them interacting, I could see a nice development from both parts, since, you know what's weird?

Freiza never interacted with anyone from his race. Not once, only his father. We don't even have an interaction with Cooler outside of videogames.

Btw, i'm starting to have an idea on how Goku is going to convince Frieza: By letting him know about Frost. Frieza will feel curiosity about it, and then ask going for one condition: he fight for those ants he must call "team", but he must absolutely meet with Frost.

There, Frieza is going to become the Evil Counterpart of Vegeta: While Vegeta managed to turn Cabba into a SSJ, Frieza is going to turn Frost into Silver/Golden Frost, and tell him to destroy the Saiyans from both universes. Frost will then become literally Frieza successor instead of just a clone.

Of course, Frost will probably say "Screw you" after obtaining that power, since this is something Frieza would do. The story ends with Frieza, death and forgotten, with his, ehem, "successor, betraying him. Frost will then use his new power to rebuild his empire, all with the pretence of "being a true hero", like he so proclaims. It will be similar to how Frieza though Vegeta still had some loyalty to him.

My plot is probably better than whatever will come out, mark my words.

edited 29th May '17 7:00:25 PM by Tomodachi

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#57742: May 29th 2017 at 6:46:18 PM

Hopefully Frost is the one who gets redemption instead of Frieza.

Maybe meeting such an actively sadistic member of his own race will cause him to look very deeply into himself.

edited 29th May '17 6:46:33 PM by slimcoder

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#57743: May 29th 2017 at 6:51:40 PM

[up]Sometimes, the best way to get someone to reform is to show them someone even worse.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#57744: May 29th 2017 at 7:07:09 PM

[up]×4

Except He's not like Freeza, especially when we talk about personality.

Frost is more of a capitalist and a villain with good publicity, while Freeza is a Sadist and a card carrying villain.

[up]x9

I don't know about "A lot", all the youtubers i've seen have been gushing about Caulifla. Honestly, it seems like she might end up being more popular than Kale.

Anyway, the few times i've seen people complain, some one else brings up Trunks and Goten, like in this thread.

At least Caulifla is an experienced fighter.

As for Freeza, him joining the team doesn't mean he'll be redeemed. Especially since he's doing it to save his own "skin" or whatever the dead have.

And I'm not sure what you mean about Cabba, he's still skinny in the Super Manga.

edited 29th May '17 7:16:53 PM by Cortez

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57745: May 29th 2017 at 7:15:35 PM

I don't care about Frost one way or the other, but I've seen others make complaints along those lines.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#57746: May 29th 2017 at 7:23:57 PM

Regardless, the only thing they have in common is being bad guys and being part of the same species. Their personalities and how they go about their villainy is different.

Frost also doesn't seem to have Freeza's love for destroying planets, not even when he's been forced to live on the run.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#57747: May 29th 2017 at 7:24:56 PM

I've never heard of Mistare Fusion until today, but I like him.

He does a whole youtube series reviewing the manga, focusing on things other fans may not notice. I stopped following because I feel some of his arguments are biased/dishonest. He's also a poster over on Kanzenshuu, used to have a lot of in depth debates with him before I was turned off the forum (dedicated forums tend to be more apologist).

His point about battle powers being accurate is one I've always said, and has been pointed out before but usually gets drowned out by the "power levels are bullshit" crowd who claim they are deliberately wrong.

I also don't find it weird as many people do given that we actually know what the numbers represent - ki, a form of energy. We already measure energy using numbers in our world! The main difference is that we aren't ever given the measure of unit used in battle powers, but they weren't meant to be applicable to real life, just internally consistent.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57748: May 29th 2017 at 7:33:32 PM

He sounds like a cool guy. I'll watch more of him later.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#57749: May 29th 2017 at 7:41:51 PM

all the youtubers i've seen have been gushing about Caulifla. Honestly, it seems like she might end up being more popular than Kale.

Gung-ho, battle-ready Saiyan female who unlocks Super Saiyan in a matter of minutes and drags her Shrinking Violet Hidden Badass friend into a battle for the survival of their universe?

Plus, cleavage?

She's the kind of Red Oni character that's really easy to like because of how excited she is about beating the crap out of people, in a setting where most problems are solved by beating the crap out of other people.

edited 29th May '17 7:48:27 PM by Soble

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#57750: May 29th 2017 at 7:43:03 PM

There is a difference in dynamic between Frieza and Frost. Frieza was the top dog on the playground and Frost absolutely is not, so he uses dirty tactics to get by.


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