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Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#57251: May 18th 2017 at 12:38:39 AM

[up]No Final Flash was just strong enough to take out his arm and part of his torso.

Did not matter cause he could regenerate is all.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#57252: May 18th 2017 at 1:36:49 AM

How differently would Dragon Ball be if Bulma or Suno married Goku instead of Chi-Chi? Would Trunks cease to exist or would he be someone else's child?

Also, according to Toriyama himself, he really likes making villains into good guys. Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, Buu, Beerus, etc... Frieza is the odd one out (Cell didn't become a good guy, but he had a probable chance), mostly because Toriyama himself thinks of Frieza as his best villain. What if what he's doing now is changing things up with his favorite villain and experimenting with him becoming a temporary Z-Fighter.

What if Frieza eventually converts to contrast Frost? What if something happens during the tournament that causes all 80 fighters to team up against it and Frieza has to sacrifice himself to help save the multiverse.

Sure these ideas are insanity, but the possibilities are there.

edited 18th May '17 1:37:55 AM by Rinsankajugin

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#57253: May 18th 2017 at 2:35:20 AM

@Black Yakuza: Well, yeah. That's pretty much what was previously said. Goku recruits Freeza because Buu won't wake up and he has no oneelse to pick.

And Goku recruiting Freeza doesn't mean he'll forgive him.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#57254: May 18th 2017 at 2:37:45 AM

Literally all of the main cast aside from Turtle, Gohan, Dende, Future Trunks, Goten, and Trunks were antagonistic at some point or another.

Goku was a Saiyan, Bulma shot Goku, Oolong messed with a village, Yamcha and Puar were bandits, Pilaf and crew were wannabe dictators, Krillin was kind of a jerk, Roshi as Jackie Chun was the main opponent of the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu were wannabe assassins and the main opponents of the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, Yajirobe attacked Goku after Goku ate his fish, Chi-Chi was mad at Goku for forgetting a childhood promise, Piccolo Jr was the reincarnation of pure evil, Vegeta was a planet-killing bastard, 17 and 18 annihilated Trunks' timeline and the main ones were going to kill Goku just because, Mr. Satan was a blowhard who claimed to be the only one capable of fighting Cell, Videl blackmailed Gohan with his secret identity, Buu was a god-killing monster, Beerus still is a God of Destruction, and Zen-Oh is feared by all the gods for his temper.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#57255: May 18th 2017 at 2:40:48 AM

Toriyama could also be playing Freeza not as a "defeated foe turned friend," but as an archenemy in an Enemy Mine.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57256: May 18th 2017 at 3:11:48 AM

I'm going to wait for the chapter before judging, because I know we've jumped to the wrong conclusion based on the spoilers previously.

However, from the other oddities in the manga I get the feeling Toyotarou is trying to add rationalizations to things in Toriyama's draft. And anything Toyotarou comes up might end up contradicted by something in Toriyama's next outline, leaving Toyotarou to try and rationalize that as well.

At least that's what I'd be doing if I was in Toyotarou's position. Like, I'm always thinking of how things in Super could be done differently/more consistently, and new episodes always throw a massive spanner into everything.

Weird to compare it to the anime in that regard, though - the anime is incredibly inconsisent through and through, see how they handled the rules for SSB Kaio-ken - they just dropped the drawback after the first use.

That's why I consider the real problem to be Toei and Toyotaro's unwillingness to change the plot however they see fit. We know Toriyama encourages both of them to add and change the outline he wrote, but both aren't willing to write outside of his initial ideas. So I'm not going to make this an "X sucks, Y is better" thing anymore than I might have over the last year. Super was flawed as hell from the get go, so it doesn't matter what medium someone prefers now.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#57257: May 18th 2017 at 3:38:56 AM

By the way, episode 92 seems to be when Caulifla and Kale because Super Saiyans.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#57259: May 18th 2017 at 4:53:44 AM

The little girl Goku befriended in the snow village.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#57260: May 18th 2017 at 5:42:19 AM

How differently would Dragon Ball be if Bulma or Suno married Goku instead of Chi-Chi?

*whistles innocently*

[up] Jingle Village. It was during the Red Ribbon Army Saga and happened not too long after the 21st Budoukai ended.

By the by, the answer is "Nothing important."

edited 18th May '17 5:44:03 AM by Zelenal

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#57261: May 18th 2017 at 9:03:51 AM

Honestly, there probably wouldn't be much difference, especially if it was Goku/Bulma.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57262: May 18th 2017 at 9:14:34 AM

Bulma wouldn't have gone into the relationship with any of the delusions that Chi-chi had (and still does have, to an extent) so that alone is a plus.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#57263: May 18th 2017 at 9:16:08 AM

She'd be a lot nicer to him really.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#57264: May 18th 2017 at 9:16:50 AM

Pretty much.

Hell, I could get behind that really.

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#57265: May 18th 2017 at 9:35:37 AM

Reading the last couple of pages and I wonder Chi Chi is the way she is because she's Goku's husband. :p Can't help feeling that if Bulma married Goku she would be busting his balls too. :p

35 year old white man.
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57266: May 18th 2017 at 9:49:50 AM

As a DB Part 1 fanboy, I am all for Goku/Bulma. You just have to maintain the right tone.

Like, the earlier post mentioned Bulma shooting Goku. This has been brought up a shocking number of times in this thread from what I've seen. No, you should probably not shoot little kids but DB is not real life and Goku is not a normal little kid. Bulma shooting him is not some MEH she crosses. It's not anything but a stupid gag that should be forgotten. In the long list of her moral failings, shooting Goku isn't anywhere near the top.

But my point is, keep things silly and light-hearted. Don't analyze how Goku is an orange hillbilly who beats his wife and maybe doesn't even have the cognitive power to understand romantic love. Just focus on the innocence and goodness in him contrasted with Bulma's (vaguely) more real world attitude and psychology, and you got yourself a winner.

Goku living in the city instead of continuing to live out in the middle of nowhere has potential, too.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57267: May 18th 2017 at 10:06:33 AM

I have to assume a "shocking number of times" means "at all" to you because that's definitely not something that gets brought up a lot.

It gets brought up because it's just a prime illustration of her being a terrible person. It being a gag doesn't change that because a lot of the thing that illustrate her being a terrible person are gags. And since you admit she has numerous moral failings, I'm not sure why this one particular example that apparently bothers you so much.

It not being real life, and Goku not being a normal kid doesn't change the fact that she hit him with her car (accidentally mind you) shot him, tried seducing him, and ultimately planned on conning him out of his most treasured possession all shortly after meeting him.

edited 18th May '17 10:08:06 AM by LSBK

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#57268: May 18th 2017 at 10:07:37 AM

I have to assume a "shocking number of times" means "at all" to you because that's definitely not something that gets brought up a lot.

It has in my experience.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57269: May 18th 2017 at 10:08:54 AM

Maybe other places, but it's not a common talking point here, just an occasional thing that gets referenced.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#57270: May 18th 2017 at 10:14:57 AM

I never noticed Goku actually turn his palm around for this before. Though I suppose it makes more sense than the contorting I've been doing trying to imitate it.

I dunno, everything about Super is just inherently flawed...and the worse part is that most of it's issues could be easily fixed if Toriyama gave enough of a fuck. But alas.

And here I thought everyone was psyched for this arc at first.

edited 18th May '17 10:15:30 AM by Soble

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#57271: May 18th 2017 at 10:16:23 AM

Looking at her marriage woth Vegeta, Bulma doesn't really mind that he does bothing but train. She just wants him to stop by on occasion to show he's alright.

The reason why they get into fights is mostly cause Vegeta has a naturally abrasive personality that usually leads to confrontation.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57272: May 18th 2017 at 10:18:41 AM

This so-called "example" of Bulma's problems bothers ms because it's not an example of that at all. She accidentally hit Goku with her car then he promptly responded by LIFTING HER AND THE CAR UP. He was clearly not just some kid. Phrasing it the way people do - "girl shoots gun at small boy" - is bullshit. She was fully right to defend herself against the superhumanly strong and durable person attacking her.

But trying to steal Goku's Dragon Ball is a much better example of her moral failings, yes.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57273: May 18th 2017 at 10:25:21 AM

See now, if it wasn't for the car hitting before hand you I'd agree. But acting as if that came out of nowhere is bullshit.

And regardless, it doesn't get brought up a lot here, so there's no point in bringing it up here.

edited 18th May '17 10:26:02 AM by LSBK

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#57274: May 18th 2017 at 10:33:28 AM

@slimcoder: I doubt that, especially considering how Bulma is with Vegeta.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#57275: May 18th 2017 at 10:39:25 AM

Bulma never actually hit Goku with her car in the manga. She braked to a stop before making contact, and Goku freaked out because he thought a monster was after his fish.


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