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hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#57226: May 17th 2017 at 7:46:29 PM

So just your average marriage then.

At least in America

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#57227: May 17th 2017 at 7:48:27 PM

The manga version of the Black arc is increasingly becoming worse than the Anime, because now it's breaking it's own rules. And it doesn't even have visually pleasing fight scenes to make up for it.

I'm going to wait for the chapter before judging, because I know we've jumped to the wrong conclusion based on the spoilers previously.

However, from the other oddities in the manga I get the feeling Toyotarou is trying to add rationalizations to things in Toriyama's draft. And anything Toyotarou comes up might end up contradicted by something in Toriyama's next outline, leaving Toyotarou to try and rationalize that as well.

At least that's what I'd be doing if I was in Toyotarou's position. Like, I'm always thinking of how things in Super could be done differently/more consistently, and new episodes always throw a massive spanner into everything.

Weird to compare it to the anime in that regard, though - the anime is incredibly inconsisent through and through, see how they handled the rules for SSB Kaio-ken - they just dropped the drawback after the first use.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#57228: May 17th 2017 at 7:52:11 PM

[up][up] Well Chi-Chi is a ball-busting housewife & Goku the adventurous cool husband.

So yeah its just like a typical American television marriage.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#57229: May 17th 2017 at 7:56:19 PM

I mean, at least with SSB Kaio-ken, do note that when he got Delayed Onset Ki Disorder, it was after he used the SSB Kaio-ken x10 against Hit; every other time after that he's stayed with using the basic two-fold Kaio-ken with it, even against Merged Zamasu, so he presumably only gets it if he goes that far with the Kaio-ken, and has been limiting himself in order to prevent that from happening again.

edited 17th May '17 7:57:02 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#57230: May 17th 2017 at 8:05:17 PM

Plus he said it wasn't ready yet when uaed against Hit. Clearly he has a better handle on it now.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#57231: May 17th 2017 at 8:08:49 PM

I'm fine with it becoming a regular thing because it looks really cool. Best thing about Blue.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#57232: May 17th 2017 at 8:38:14 PM

Still find it weird that it's a dual aura, when Toei made the Super Kaioken just a larger Kaioken aura, but with Super Saiyan physical features.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#57233: May 17th 2017 at 8:55:45 PM

I'm going to wait for the chapter before judging, because I know we've jumped to the wrong conclusion based on the spoilers previously. However, from the other oddities in the manga I get the feeling Toyotarou is trying to add rationalizations to things in Toriyama's draft. And anything Toyotarou comes up might end up contradicted by something in Toriyama's next outline, leaving Toyotarou to try and rationalize that as well.

At least that's what I'd be doing if I was in Toyotarou's position. Like, I'm always thinking of how things in Super could be done differently/more consistently, and new episodes always throw a massive spanner into everything.

Weird to compare it to the anime in that regard, though - the anime is incredibly inconsisent through and through, see how they handled the rules for SSB Kaio-ken - they just dropped the drawback after the first use.

That's what I'm feeling like as well. He's trying to make sense, but Toriyama himself doesn't seem to want to make sense and Toyo is trying as hard as he can to salvage what's there. It's admirable, but I feel like it's creating more problems than anything else.

I'm not trying to say the Anime is better, because at this point it's Toriyama's outline just seem inherently flawed from the getgo. The Anime just decided to say "Fuck it" and throw in the towel and just be like "Power Levels are bullshit, so let's just add cool stuff"

I dunno, everything about Super is just inherently flawed...and the worse part is that most of it's issues could be easily fixed if Toriyama gave enough of a fuck. But alas.

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felipelight Teacher from Undisclosed Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Teacher
#57234: May 17th 2017 at 8:58:29 PM

@Mighty Matilda I don't know how to upload images. But it bugs me how Goku WILL forgive Frieza as much as when Naruto forgave Óbito and declared him the 'coolest guy'. I fully expect another idiot hero forgiving a genocidal maniac just cause he's a little bit like him.

Off topic I just started watching Breaking Bad and it is awesome. I just never got around to watching it. I pretty much just watch Anime so I forgot how other media is just as awesome

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#57235: May 17th 2017 at 8:59:26 PM

[up][up]Remember, the only reason he's doing this is because the live-in movie sucked. Otherwise, he'd just leave the franchise alone. Still, it kinda feels like he's seeing Super just as a way to get paychecks in-between the Dragon Quest games.

edited 17th May '17 8:59:45 PM by MightyMatilda

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#57236: May 17th 2017 at 9:01:09 PM

I mean, Obito at least died to protect Naruto and told him to become the greatest Hokage ever; unless Frieza decides to die to protect Goku and tells him that he'll one day surpass even Beerus and Whis, then I don't think it's really the same thing.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#57237: May 17th 2017 at 9:06:03 PM

Which would disappoint me cause I like that Frieza is the one guy Goku quite plainly dislikes.

Goku can let bygones be bygones with anyone but Frieza should be the one guy that draws nothing but pure hatred & disgust from him.

edited 17th May '17 9:07:24 PM by slimcoder

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#57238: May 17th 2017 at 9:06:28 PM

Now that I think about it, Frieza did have a throwaway line in the Name saga that basically said that his daddy hit him a lot. Under the hands of a bad writer, that's enough to justify someone being a genocidal warlord.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#57239: May 17th 2017 at 9:12:37 PM

Goku can let bygones be bygones with anyone but Frieza should be the one guy that draws nothing but pure hatred & disgust from him.

100% agreed. That's why Super having him be more disgusted at Frieza makes more sense than Goku telling him to just go off and train so they can fight again.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57240: May 17th 2017 at 9:15:00 PM

All he said was that his parents were the only ones who were ever able to scuff him up as much as Goku had at that point. Which honestly wasn't saying much.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#57241: May 17th 2017 at 9:16:13 PM

I mean, Goku loves a good fight more than anyone else; if Frieza can give him one, I'm sure he'd let all the atrocities he's done slide, just like everyone else ended up doing with Vegeta.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#57242: May 17th 2017 at 9:17:56 PM

Let's give Super the benefit of the doubt...Tough I know, but hear me out. What if Goku suggesting Frieza is a Godzilla Threshold? Like, Goku may not want to ask Freiza, but with Buu asleep, they need an extra fighter and Freeza is the only one even close to strong enough to keep up.

Like...maybe Goku doesn't trust him and will be on guard....maybe. I want to believe.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#57243: May 17th 2017 at 9:18:39 PM

I'm guessing this all ends with Freeza pushing his luck and getting himself erased, even if Universe 7 wins.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#57244: May 17th 2017 at 9:21:47 PM

[up]

It should end that way.

[up][up]

But the spoiler says he goes to do it despite the entirety of his team rejecting it so...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#57245: May 17th 2017 at 9:23:53 PM

[up][up][up][up] By that logic he would be okay with Semi-Perfect Cell absorbing 18 like Vegeta.

I mean really I hope Goku is apprehensive at teaming up with Frieza. It actually gives the guy more villain cred, being the only person again to make Goku go "No fuck this, you get the hell off my planet & stay the fuck away from my friends & family or I swear will kill you no matter what."

It makes their rivalry more special as Frieza is his archenemies.

edited 17th May '17 9:27:51 PM by slimcoder

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57246: May 17th 2017 at 10:37:49 PM

@Ssj 3 Gojira

Wait, what?

I know Obito has his haters but comparing him to Freeza? The two have nothing in common in any way whatsoever.

edited 17th May '17 10:38:36 PM by Nikkolas

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#57247: May 17th 2017 at 10:39:52 PM

How many planets has Obito destroyed? Have many species has Obito genocided? How large is Obito's empire?

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#57248: May 17th 2017 at 10:40:21 PM

Well....you know I am just gonna stop there.

"Mai waifu."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#57249: May 17th 2017 at 10:44:05 PM

It was in response to felipelight17th and their comment.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57250: May 17th 2017 at 11:57:37 PM

Fair enough.

So I'm trying to catch up with DBZA and Ijust saw their version of Final Flash. But it reminded me of something

At least in the anime, when Cell mockingly gets ready for Vegeta's attack, we get a close-up of his arm. I'm not sure if it's the arm Vegeta blows off but I'm just wondering if that entire thing was a joke and he let himself actually get wounded by maybe lowering his power level so much that he could appear wounded.

Not sure if he can do that, like, relegate damage to one part of his body by weakening it or something.


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