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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#57201: May 17th 2017 at 1:00:12 PM

To be fair, a mastered Super Saiyan form doesn't actually increase power or anything like that, it just decreases stamina drain. All this means is that, at some point Goku spent a long time in Super Saiyan Blue.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#57202: May 17th 2017 at 1:10:57 PM

I can't believe this isn't over yet. Damn this is going on for a long time.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57203: May 17th 2017 at 1:19:28 PM

That's the worse part really. The manga's still on the Future Trunks nonsense.

edited 17th May '17 1:21:42 PM by VeryMelon

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#57204: May 17th 2017 at 1:50:27 PM

Its like the anime version of the first Frieza fight all over again. XD

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#57205: May 17th 2017 at 2:59:56 PM

This is an old video, but watching it, alongside my own greater understanding of Chi-Chi compared to when I first started watching the series, I can't help but wonder what things would be like if Toriyama had cared about Chi-chi a little bit more than he did.

In fact, I sometimes think that, outside of creating Gohan and Goten, nothing was really added to either Goku or Chi-chi's characters by marrying them (though it's been interesting to see a shonnen character not only get married, but have children and grand-children) since, for most series, that'd be the end of their story when they become parents.

I'm rather torn on the whole thing to be honest.

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felipelight Teacher from Undisclosed Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#57206: May 17th 2017 at 3:18:00 PM

I'm fully expecting Goku will say this next episode about Frieza

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#57207: May 17th 2017 at 3:18:41 PM

The manga version of the Black arc is increasingly becoming worse than the Anime, because now it's breaking it's own rules. And it doesn't even have visually pleasing fight scenes to make up for it.

edited 17th May '17 3:19:07 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#57209: May 17th 2017 at 4:07:48 PM

[up]x4 Nothing was added because nothing was there to begin with. Chi-Chi only wanted to marry Goku because Goku tapped her crotch with his foot and then promised to marry her even though he had no idea what that was. Goku agreed to marry Chi-Chi only because it was a promise he had made, even though he didn't terribly remember the promise or even Chi-Chi.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#57210: May 17th 2017 at 4:43:15 PM

[up]

...Right. I feel like I had something to say to that directly, but I seem to have forgotten it.

I agree with you there was nothing there in the first place comment.

Really, if he didn't want to draw her, then just don't fricking draw her. Is it a waste because he just got bored of her? I think so, but I think every character has potential, and it's up to the writer to realize it, but if you don't have anything you want to do with them, then just write them out and keep them there.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#57211: May 17th 2017 at 4:47:50 PM

Can she be nicer at least get with the times? She could also do with being less of a educational mom.

Its annoying how she's forcing this standard of normalcy in a family where that is completely impossible. I feel like punching her every time she complains bout something.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#57212: May 17th 2017 at 4:54:20 PM

Remember her own upbringing tho; lass is as much as a secluded ignoramus as her husband.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#57213: May 17th 2017 at 4:55:57 PM

[up][up]That too.

There were so many ways he could have gone with her, but instead he chose shrewish harpy.

I mean, I get that she doesn't want her son to get involved in death battles and all, but did she have to completely throw out Martial Arts (which is a part of her family, her husband's family, and the family of her granddaughter)?

It seems like it's something invented to make her more of an obstacle than anything else.

She finally lets go of that by the Buu arc (with training Goten herself) but it comes back in full swing in Super.

[up]Edit: This is true. I think we posited before that she's just trying to enforce how she thinks married life should be.

edited 17th May '17 4:57:42 PM by HandsomeRob

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#57214: May 17th 2017 at 4:57:21 PM

Ya know, considering how small of a role Chi-Chi has overall, is she really worth hating? She's like an annoying fly who won't leave you alone.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#57215: May 17th 2017 at 4:58:49 PM

[up]

I don't really hate her. In fact, I think it's incredibly sad that she has a small role. She's the wife of the Main character. Those kind of characters are usually at least a little important in some way.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#57216: May 17th 2017 at 4:59:27 PM

She's fiiiiine.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57217: May 17th 2017 at 5:00:12 PM

I dislike Chi-Chi when I compare her to Bulma, but most of the time I'd rather forget she exists.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#57218: May 17th 2017 at 5:02:56 PM

She drains the fun out of any scenario she's in, even if she doesn't deserve to be hated she is annoying as fuck. It is better to forget she exists really.

That episode where she basically kidnaps Pan from her dad & granddad & how she wouldn't let Goku do a little training even after working over 6 months like a good husband was just horrible.

Goku may be a brain-dead battle-monger but the guy who saved the Earth multiple times deserves way better.

edited 17th May '17 5:03:37 PM by slimcoder

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#57219: May 17th 2017 at 5:12:40 PM

He deserves a nagging wife, right?

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UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#57220: May 17th 2017 at 5:28:08 PM

I blame Toriyama's Writing by the Seat of Your Pants style and original focus on gags than action for Chi Chi's current characterization. That, and I think it may be a touch Freudian.......

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#57221: May 17th 2017 at 5:35:59 PM

Chi-Chi is the only one willing to stay with Goku besides Bulma. Goku's daily routine besides saving the world is training and waiting for dinner, and Chi-Chi has to cook for three Saiyans before Gohan got married. Goku doesn't care about sex or love, so Chi-Chi is the only way for Toriyama to make Goku's children exist.

Also, didn't Vegeta say that Saiyans like aggressive women? Goku probably finds Chi-Chi's nagging endearing.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#57222: May 17th 2017 at 5:36:57 PM

As do I.

It worked, but maybe sitting back and thinking about what he wanted out of the characters might have been a little better.

I've said this before, but if he could do such good work by just making it up as he goes along, imagine what he could have done with just a smidge more long term planning.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57223: May 17th 2017 at 5:39:47 PM

Going off of Dragon Ball Super, they stay together because they both understand how their relationship works and are ultimately fine with it.

There was an entire episode centered around Goku wanting to go off training and hiding it from Chi-chi, and her blowing up about it, but when all was said and done she brushed it off like it was nothing because she knew he'd be back, and he knew she would know that.

Bulma and Vegeta have a similar situation.

edited 17th May '17 5:40:50 PM by LSBK

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#57224: May 17th 2017 at 5:39:59 PM

Ya know there is some humorous irony in that Goku has a wife with a Saiyan-ish personality while his dad's wife, his mother is the complete opposite apparently.

[up] She came off to me like a crazy person at the end of that episode.

edited 17th May '17 5:40:36 PM by slimcoder

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57225: May 17th 2017 at 5:43:33 PM

[up]Well, yeah, in the real world Goku and Vegeta's marriages would be extremely toxic and their wives would have either left them or become alcoholics at this point. But this animeland so that doesn't matter.


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