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sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5676: Mar 14th 2014 at 2:05:10 PM

That is new. It had been a prevailing fan theory up until now that Gotenks didn't even have SS-2, as he never used it against Buu and Trunks' dialogue implied they only reached SS-3 while skipping SS-2 entirely.

edited 14th Mar '14 2:06:27 PM by sockpuppet1

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5677: Mar 14th 2014 at 6:39:05 PM

It's not new, since guidebooks already said he had it.

sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5678: Mar 14th 2014 at 7:08:31 PM

D7 did, but that was often passed off as a typo. This actually confirms it and shows the form being used... in a video game, at least.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#5679: Mar 14th 2014 at 7:18:00 PM

Well, the GT Perfect Files say it as well, even though they're not taken as seriously by most people.tongue

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#5680: Mar 14th 2014 at 7:43:17 PM

As power goes, Goten and Trunks are nuts. They got their first Super Saiyan transformation incredibly easy compared to the other Saiyans in the cast, had the Fusion Dance brought in the story to give them an easy option for catching up to all the other characters who had decades of training on them, and then mastered Super Saiyan 3 after seeing Goku do it once. In ten years time, they'll probably be more powerful than Bills, and have discovered/invented several more levels of Super Saiyan.

edited 14th Mar '14 7:43:55 PM by TobiasDrake

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#5681: Mar 14th 2014 at 7:45:43 PM

That is if they actually continued to train, which they didn't since Goten is more interested in girls than fighting, and Trunks is the new head of the Capsule Corporation.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#5682: Mar 14th 2014 at 7:46:08 PM

I think it's rather silly that they're stronger than 18 and Piccolo. The Androids alone severely outclassed the adult Super Saiyans even after years of training, and Piccolo is even stronger.

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#5683: Mar 14th 2014 at 7:52:21 PM

I don't. They're Full Power Super Saiyans, who were stronger than either of those when they debuted.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#5684: Mar 14th 2014 at 7:56:34 PM

Oh, they're already Full Power?

That makes sense. Still sorta silly that they'd be Full Power Saiyans by age 5. Not in a "logically unsound" sense, but in a "stretching plausibility a bit too far" sense.

Anyway, something's been bugging me for a while about movie 12. Gogeta is formed, and kicks Janemba's ass in less than a minute. So... what does Gogeta do for the remaining 29 minutes of the fusion? Sit around and read a newspaper?

edited 14th Mar '14 7:57:25 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#5685: Mar 14th 2014 at 8:08:27 PM

Well, given that Super Saiyan Full Power is basically "stay in Super Saiyan a lot" and Goten/Trunks have had the form for a long time (or Goten has a really short term memory) and often fight each other, I don't find it to be a stretch. It's pretty hilarious when you think about how Super Saiyan Full Power is something that can be achieved unknowingly.

That's a pretty good question. Gogeta must have been bored as hell.

edited 14th Mar '14 8:09:07 PM by Saiga

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#5686: Mar 14th 2014 at 8:10:01 PM

Play tennis against himself?

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#5687: Mar 14th 2014 at 8:21:54 PM

That's the weird thing about Gotenks. He seems to be really powerful for his age, so imagine if they did a patora-induced Gotenks, since that seems to be more powerful than the dance. How would that compare to Vegetto?

edited 14th Mar '14 8:22:11 PM by Rinsankajugin

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#5688: Mar 14th 2014 at 8:26:06 PM

I dunno, given that Kibitoshin is apparently not worth much it seems potara isn't consistent for everyone, fusion dance might not be either. If it were consistent it'd just be the same difference as the unfused kids are from the unfused fathers.tongue

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#5689: Mar 14th 2014 at 8:28:10 PM

So how shit-tier must Janemba be compared to Super Buu, then?

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#5690: Mar 14th 2014 at 8:43:30 PM

Gogeta must have been bored as hell.

Well, considering where Gogeta was at the moment, that makes sense.

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sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5691: Mar 14th 2014 at 8:52:31 PM

While the kids being stronger than Piccolo is somewhat arguable (he did at least surpass Grade II Vegeta, after all), them being stronger than 18 is stated and shown fact in the manga.

Note that Janemba was only slightly to moderately stronger than Goku. Goku gave him some trouble. So Super Buu would probably dispatch him with no less ease than Super Gogeta.

edited 14th Mar '14 8:53:11 PM by sockpuppet1

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#5692: Mar 14th 2014 at 9:04:52 PM

I wasn't disagreeing that they're stronger, I just find it silly that they are.

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#5694: Mar 14th 2014 at 9:30:32 PM

Wait, isn't Piccolo stronger than the kids? When they defuse inside of Buu he turns from Buutenks into Buucolo. I thought the most powerful individual dictated his form so to me that would indicate that Piccolo was stronger than the two when separate.

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#5695: Mar 14th 2014 at 9:35:33 PM

The two were in base form after de-fusing, though. Piccolo is stronger than their base forms.

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#5696: Mar 14th 2014 at 9:37:09 PM

It isn't said either way who is stronger. What influences Boo's absorption isn't said either. Here I went into the points for and against the kids being stronger than Piccolo, and why the Boo scene doesn't necessarily mean Piccolo is stronger than the kids.

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#5697: Mar 14th 2014 at 11:41:34 PM

So was it ever explained why Vegeta turned into stone after he used the Final Explosion?

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sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5698: Mar 14th 2014 at 11:54:40 PM

I originally had a problem with Goten and Trunks being so strong, but then I remembered that ridiculously OP kids and Superpowerful Genetics have been prominent since the very first chapter of Dragon Ball, and continued all throughout the series. Even the villains did this, with Piccolo, Vegeta, and Freeza all surpassing their ultra-powerful fathers with little apparent effort. We know that Vegeta, at least, did it before he was 12, while Piccolo did it when he was four and physically teenage.

edited 14th Mar '14 11:56:45 PM by sockpuppet1

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#5699: Mar 15th 2014 at 5:40:52 AM

[up][up]Rule of Cool? Just plain not seeing him there anymore wouldn't have been as dramatic.

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#5700: Mar 15th 2014 at 1:00:31 PM

[up][up] When do you think Frieza surpassed King Cold? I'm thinking it was sometime during the early years of the Planet Trade Organisation.


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