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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56951: May 13th 2017 at 6:41:32 AM

...

No. Fuck off Toei, Toriyama and everyone responsible for this.

Just let Buu fucking fight. You've used the same damn joke three times already. Stop it.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56953: May 13th 2017 at 6:51:21 AM

It's stupid.

This is Frieza. He's Revenge Before Reason personified. He will choose to stab them in the back because when given the chance to just do the smart thing or try and take revenge on Goku, he always, always tries to take revenge on Goku. He's so shortsighted he can barely see in front of his face. Goku should know this; he should know Frieza is completely untrustworthy and all that shit. And yet, this is still happening.

And those are just the in-universe reasons that it's dumb.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#56954: May 13th 2017 at 7:06:47 AM

Super has officially got from "really cool yet really stupid" to just plain old stupid.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#56955: May 13th 2017 at 7:12:16 AM

[up][up] And it's not like he has any stake in the outcome of the tournament. No matter what happens, after 24 hours it's back to hell with him, so he has no reason to care whether Universe 7 wins or loses. What does he have to gain? The cash reward that he won't even have time to spend before going back to hell? The wish on the Super Dragon Balls that the other team members are never going to let him make?

And that's all ignoring the fact that, after seeing Buu out of commission, Goku's first idea for a replacement is reviving his worst enemy. Like... guh? That's his go-to? Not Goten, or Trunks, or Chiaotzu, or Yamcha, or Jaco? Friggin' Yajirobe would be a better choice!

It sucks because I was extremely hyped for this Universe Survival arc when it first began. I thought that there was no way they could let me down. But lo and behold, they did.

edited 13th May '17 7:13:09 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#56956: May 13th 2017 at 7:17:32 AM

I watch Super just to see how batshit insane it can get and it has yet to disappoint. I'm more than happy with this development.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#56958: May 13th 2017 at 7:47:15 AM

I am completely serious when I say that an inanimate pebble would be a better contestant than Frieza. At least the pebble wouldn't betray anyone.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#56959: May 13th 2017 at 7:57:24 AM

I mean, is there some deal going where if Frieza does a good job he gets to get out of Hell?

Like. I'm not even sure if that would keep him in line, but. It would at least be a motivation. A reason to give a shit instead of deliberately sandbagging out of spite.

...I have to admit that while I like the idea of Frieza being in a Teeth-Clenched Teamwork situation with our heroes, I don't want it to be at Buu's expense.

edited 13th May '17 8:05:32 AM by unnoun

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#56960: May 13th 2017 at 8:00:12 AM

I mean, I'm not really surprised that this is happening, since the initial spoilers for it came out a while ago. Honestly, I'm mixed on this. Freeza coming back gives the Resurrection 'F' movie/arc a reason to exist, and I do really love Freeza as a character, and seeing him undergo a Heel–Face Turn, like almost every main character in the franchise, would be pretty cool.

On the other hand... why Buu?! Of all the characters to shaft, why Buu?! Get rid of almost any other character over Buu again! Drop 18: her fighting style and techniques aren't interesting or creative enough to put her in the same catagory as Krillin, Tenshinhan, or Roshi, and she's not strong enough to be put in the same catagory as Piccolo, Buu, or 17, and she's not a Saiyan, so she's the odd one out. She wouldn't be if she were as strong as her brother, but she's not. Just don't drop Buu from a whole arc for a third time!

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#56961: May 13th 2017 at 8:06:12 AM

Pretty sure dropping her would create just as much backlash.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#56962: May 13th 2017 at 8:06:43 AM

I would drop Roshi, personally.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#56963: May 13th 2017 at 8:08:04 AM

I mean, Roshi hasn't fought since Piccolo, and has spent a good chunk of the series making it clear he was passing things on to the next generation.

I don't mind him being around per se, but. It's going back a bit too much for my tastes.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#56964: May 13th 2017 at 8:14:11 AM

They went out of their way to establish that he's stronger than Tenshinhan and Krillin in his muscular state nowadays, may as well not waste it. Notice that 18 is literally the only character in the U7 team, aside from Goku and Vegeta, who isn't explicitly more powerful before entering this tournament through training. Tenshinhan, Krillin, Roshi, Buu, 17, Piccolo, and Gohan all trained to be more powerful than they were last time we saw them, either for this tournament, in the case of Gohan and Buu, or off-screen before this arc, in the case of everyone else.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#56965: May 13th 2017 at 8:18:16 AM

I mean, I don't quite see why they have to drop anyone to begin with.

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#56966: May 13th 2017 at 8:19:26 AM

Master Roshi did fight in the RF Saga, which only happened a year before the current saga.

Let's just see where this goes, I'm in for the craziness too!

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#56967: May 13th 2017 at 8:36:12 AM

[up][up][up] I bet the current recruitment arc isn't really in the draft, and it is just Toei building up hype. You are coming to conclussions based on meaningless details.

Just like Kaioken Blue or Super Saiyan Rage are meaningless, as it is used only by Toei, and at the end of the day, the end results are the same.

Gohan may be getting development into being stronger (and Piccolo by proxy), but the rest? I wouldn't be too sure.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#56968: May 13th 2017 at 8:38:19 AM

wild mass guessThe Freeza thing doesn't work and Goku just makes a team of Goku, Goku in Ginyu's body, Goku Black, Turles, Bardock, Vegeta, Gohan, Nappa, Raditz and Mr Popo.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#56969: May 13th 2017 at 9:02:02 AM

[up][up]Kaio-Ken Blue and all the stuff Toei adds, is just as 'important' to the anime of Dragon Ball Super as anything else in the anime of Dragon Ball Super. Everything in the anime of Dragon Ball Super is also equally as 'important' to the series as a whole as the manga of Dragon Ball Super, and everything that Toyotarou adds to the series there. There is no detail in the anime or manga that is any more or less important than any other detail in the same medium. It's just two different ways of telling the same story, neither takes precedence, and neither is more crucial than the other.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#56971: May 13th 2017 at 9:06:07 AM

"Except the jokes, those are the most important thing," -Toriyama, probably

felipelight Teacher from Undisclosed Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#56972: May 13th 2017 at 9:07:19 AM

You know Roshi is ridiculous yet you are in denial. Tien trained with Kami and in the time chamber. Are we supposed to think Roshi is stronger when he couldn't beat King Piccolo at his prime with the bull excuse that he did a million push-ups offscreen. King Piccolo is a bacteria to the levels of now. If Roshi could have done this before he would have donde it and avoid all that destruction and you know it. Pure stupidity and has been retired for decades. That's just idiotic

edited 13th May '17 9:08:57 AM by felipelight

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#56973: May 13th 2017 at 9:09:23 AM

[up]Idiotic it may be, but it is also the reality of the series.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#56974: May 13th 2017 at 9:10:19 AM

[up][up] Well Goku did get him a fresh supply of what extends his life, going by the fact that he dies when his energy gives out its likely Ki giving leaves thus power up.

[up][up][up] Dont have a problem with that in of itself, wish he would give more attention to everything else cause this is stupid.

edited 13th May '17 9:10:49 AM by Memers

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#56975: May 13th 2017 at 9:17:03 AM

...this is an idea I had for a fan fic once. Beerus and Whis would force Frieza and Cell out of the afterlife to fight alongside Goku and Vegeta - either that, or get Beerus'd.

That's kind of disturbing.

I'd rather Buu be there given he just got his Super Buu form back, but eh, I'm okay with this.

edited 13th May '17 9:19:54 AM by Soble

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