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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#56726: May 7th 2017 at 8:54:18 AM

In 4 years Pan is going to curb stomp Goten so that might be the case. Likely Chi Chi's doing either way.

edited 7th May '17 8:56:14 AM by Memers

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#56727: May 7th 2017 at 9:32:27 AM

Guys.

I know this episode was great and all, but holy shit, pay attention to this instead:

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#56729: May 7th 2017 at 10:24:57 AM

Speaking of it, anyone discuss the near end credits song for the series?

DAMMIT MARK, STOP HITTING HELPY!!
DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#56730: May 7th 2017 at 12:46:59 PM

Fandom complains that Dragonball has become the "Goku and Vegeta Show" and nobody else matters.

Show goes out of its way to put some focus on other characters, and make them relevant again.

Fandom complains that these characters should not be relevant.

Never change, Dragonball fandom.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56731: May 7th 2017 at 12:50:07 PM

Like Saiga said, it's weird to assume it's the same fans complaining about both those things.

But as far as I go, I wouldn't particularly mind if they became relevant again, so long as it was actually handled well, and for the most part it doesn't seem to be.

I don't really get the "I don't care how it's done as long as it's done" people, that seems like that would take a lot of the satisfaction out of seeing these characters used again if the show is tactically admitting that it can't do so in a way that is logically consistent with itself that isn't just pandering.

edited 7th May '17 12:56:53 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56732: May 7th 2017 at 12:54:42 PM

[up]

Damn. You got me there. Honestly though, I feel like I just gotta take what satisfaction I can.

It is a shame they didn't bother with some of the known methods: Kaioken, The Room of Time and Spirit / Hyperbolic Time Chamber, Old Kai's unlock potential etc.

Perhaps they just didn't feel these methods were good enough.

I just want to know who I should be blaming for this: Toei or Toriyama. I mean, it'll probably be Toei's fault, but I don't want to commit too soon and all. Gotta be fair about this and give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

One Strip! One Strip!
Lampodigenio Insert cool sentence here from Somewhere in Western Europe Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Insert cool sentence here
#56733: May 7th 2017 at 1:33:37 PM

[up][up][up] I dunno, pretty sure that the DB fandom has enough people to have opposite opinions and be equally vocal about it. I've seen enough posts of guys that are self-declared Tenshinhan, Crili and etc. fans that are happy about them being back on the stage, even if some of them don't enjoy much the way they were put there.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#56734: May 7th 2017 at 1:59:24 PM

@Rob I didn't change my mind. I never said that, for example, Kuririn could be relevant ny fighting someone in Vegeta's place. He'd have to fight someone when Vegeta wasn't able to be there or participate for some reason.

Kind of like how Resurrection F had Goku/Vegeta far off planet for a good chunk of it. If Freeza's forces had arrived in several different parts of the world, and the heroes were already spread out, it would be easier to justify the human's being important. Unlike the actual RF where everyone was fighting but it was even pointed out Gohan could wipe out the entire army in an instant. That's not very meaningful screentime for the heroes.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#56735: May 7th 2017 at 2:40:09 PM

It could just be that people don't like how it was done. As much as I like Krillin, him being able to even for a moment push back a Kamehameha from Goku's strongest form is pretty silly, even if Goku was holding back.

I recall similar complaints about the Ultra Divine Water in Dragon Ball.

edited 7th May '17 2:41:31 PM by Hobgoblin

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56736: May 7th 2017 at 2:42:06 PM

If they do bring back a villain I want it to be Cell, Frieza already had his time in the sun twice.

I'd also want to see Cell laughing at weak Gohan which can't work now cause Gohan's got it again...... unless he loses it a third time.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56737: May 7th 2017 at 2:46:35 PM

@Rob I didn't change my mind. I never said that, for example, Kuririn could be relevant ny fighting someone in Vegeta's place. He'd have to fight someone when Vegeta wasn't able to be there or participate for some reason.

I can get that. Come to think of it, I think it might have been Tobias who said that, but I could still be wrong.

Yeah, I appreciate the effort, but execution is important as well.

One Strip! One Strip!
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#56738: May 7th 2017 at 2:59:07 PM

Gohan losing his power again would be nonsensical. I get he doesn't like fighting, but does he have to become completely pointless to fall off in relevance?

edited 7th May '17 8:29:02 PM by Hobgoblin

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56739: May 7th 2017 at 3:01:18 PM

How was he in End of Z?

edited 7th May '17 3:01:28 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#56740: May 7th 2017 at 3:04:43 PM

He still looked like Ultimate Gohan in that I think.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#56741: May 7th 2017 at 3:49:16 PM

Like Saiga said, it's weird to assume it's the same fans complaining about both those things. But as far as I go, I wouldn't particularly mind if they became relevant again, so long as it was actually handled well, and for the most part it doesn't seem to be. I don't really get the "I don't care how it's done as long as it's done" people, that seems like that would take a lot of the satisfaction out of seeing these characters used again if the show is tactically admitting that it can't do so in a way that is logically consistent with itself that isn't just pandering.

I am mostly this however I I also realize that apart of me is intrigued at how the characters can get stronger even if the cannot match with the Saiyans. I just wished that Super handled the characters getting stronger much more organically rather than just giving them power ups out of nowhere.

edited 7th May '17 3:58:14 PM by GAP

"Mai waifu."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#56742: May 7th 2017 at 5:23:25 PM

Yeah it's not like Dragonball Z didn't have a bunch of contrived reasons for huge jumps in power, but there was always some effort put into them to make them feel special so we'd be able to buy it, not just "they did a gazillion push-ups off screen" like Super is doing.

And wow, it really is something else to see how quickly Supreme Kai was defanged. Went from making Piccolo sweat to getting super panicked over Babidi's chumps in record time.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#56743: May 7th 2017 at 7:31:57 PM

Spoiler scans for future episode titles are out and yeah, I don't think many people will be happy to find out that...

Majin Buu will be taken out of the team and will be replaced by Frieza, and for the flimsiest of reasons — Buu went to sleep, and won't wake up for 2 months.

  • buckles down for the storm.

edited 7th May '17 7:33:08 PM by MyssaRei

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56744: May 7th 2017 at 7:33:32 PM

[up] WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?! surprisedsurprisedsurprisedsurprisedsurprisedsurprised

Why couldn't it be Cell? sad

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Now a lurker. See you at the forums.
#56745: May 7th 2017 at 7:33:44 PM

NIO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

NO!

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56746: May 7th 2017 at 7:35:03 PM

I don't know who got trolled harder, the Buu fans or the Cell fans.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#56747: May 7th 2017 at 7:35:08 PM

WAIT WHAT. THEY WERE LEGIT?!

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#56748: May 7th 2017 at 7:35:19 PM

Shoulda gotten Yamcha instead.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#56749: May 7th 2017 at 7:36:23 PM

Uh...link to a source before I lose my shit?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#56750: May 7th 2017 at 7:36:37 PM

I don't believe it.


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