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#56701: May 7th 2017 at 4:29:03 AM

So what is this rumor about one of the Team 7 members getting replaced? And getting replaced by Frieza of all people?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#56702: May 7th 2017 at 4:32:37 AM

People said that about Universe 6 arc as well, I wouldn't put stock into it.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#56703: May 7th 2017 at 4:49:00 AM

The only source I've seen of that is one person in the comment section of the latest episode on Kissanime claiming it was a rumor that exists. Rumors spread like wildfire in this day and age, so I wouldn't be surprised if that guy was the origin.

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#56704: May 7th 2017 at 4:49:16 AM

A good deal of the episode was spent on Roshi being a creep. Aren't we all glad that the old characters are getting focus again?

Caulifa is amazing.

Yurin was actually pretty fun, and it's a shame she got put in such half assed rushed episode.

At the end of the episode I was hoping Goku would go "Sorry Tien, I won't be taking you on the team after all. I mean, Master roshi took you out in like ten seconds flat. That's just embarrassing."

Next episode preview. I would be more excited about Gohan and Goku fight, if everyone and their mother wasn't capable of fighting Goku nowadays.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#56706: May 7th 2017 at 5:13:11 AM

Base Karrot...

Specify, that everyone can at least take on Base Karrot...

If they fulfill that threshold, they can enter the tournament...

That should've been the rule.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#56707: May 7th 2017 at 5:26:04 AM

"I see Dog-san! This is your true power you've been hiding all this time. You must been playing fetch in secret all along. It's time for me to get serious as well!" Goku turns SSB KK x10. The fight ends up in a draw.'

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#56708: May 7th 2017 at 5:43:56 AM

It is interesting that they're going out of their way to say that everyone is as strong as they are on their own merits. Krillin, Buu, 17, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, and Roshi all got to their current level of power through training and hard work, according to the show. It would've been so easy to say "Yurin's talismans unlock your potential, and that's why Roshi is this strong" and that's what I thought they were going to do, but no, Roshi's current power is from constantly training off-screen.

It is also interesting that everyone seems to be surprised at how strong these characters are in-universe. Gohan certainly didn't expect Piccolo to be stronger than his Super Saiyan 2, and Goku didn't expect Roshi to be anywhere near him in terms of power. I don't think it's as much of a surprise to the other characters, but it is clearly a surprise, we're not completely wrong for expecting these characters to be weaker than they are.

edited 7th May '17 5:44:44 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#56709: May 7th 2017 at 6:36:12 AM

wild mass guessThere's going to be a Love Triangle among Cauli, Cabba, and Kale. Cauli kept around Kale as a sex buddy before eventually developing genuine feelings for her, but in actuality Kale is in love with Cabba. However, Kale herself is far too shy to ever tell Cabba her true feelings in her normal form. She gain this courage when in Legendary Super Saiyan form, but it instead comes out as being extremely rapey towards Cabba, scaring the little guy. Cauli, of course, is initially against this because of her own feelings towards Kale, but she herself cannot speak these feelings out loud because she doesn't want to come off as weak to her underlings and because she's terrified of Kale in her LSSJ form.wild mass guess

Secondly, wild mass guessonce the Tournament of Power starts, it will first start off with the expected free for all with all the other Universes except for maybe 6 and 10 trying to eliminate 7 exclusively, but then Kale transforms into LSSJ and starts going out of control, plowing people left and right with only just enough sentience left to know that killing is not allowed. This will then lead to basically up to 75 vs. 1 with everyone instead fighting Kale exclusively. Meanwhile, Jiren and Goku are the only two fighting against each other exclusively and are possibly unintentionally tuning out everything else besides each other, making them ignorant of the rampaging Fem!Broly in the field, while Vegeta and the Pink Girl trying to divide their time between Kale and each other.

The fight will then end with Goku eliminated, but with at least four-way tie between Vegeta, Jiren, Kale or Hit, and whomever is the strongest fighter of Universe 10, leading to Zen'O sparing Universes 6, 7, 10, and 11 at the very least, along with possibly any other universes is only one fighter left on the field. Universe 9 will be the only universe to be confirmed erased, though, so possibly there will be 11 universes still left at most. wild mass guess XD

edited 7th May '17 6:37:20 AM by UdtheImp

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#56710: May 7th 2017 at 6:39:51 AM

The love triangle is a given, Cabba strikes me as a standard oblivious protag.

If they push it right they could push a spinoff.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56711: May 7th 2017 at 6:55:57 AM

In actual arcs where they are being relevant, stuff like having too much going on for the main heroes to deal with everything at once would be enough. You've got a whole planet to work with, sometimes multiple, spread out the objectives for something and split people up to deal with appropriate challenges. Or have them provide something else than raw combat abilities, like Bulma. It is harder to do with most of the human fighters because they're so focused on fighting, but the slice of life episodes give plenty of time to set up some other role for them.

That sounds good, only wasn't it you (or was it Tobias) who said that any enemy that Krillin could stand a chance against would be utterly wrecked by Goku and Vegeta anyway?

I'm just wondering what made you change your mind?

As for this crap with Power Levels...You know what? I'm gonna take the advice of some others and just enjoy the ride. I don't know who's idea this was (Toriyama's or Toei's) nor do I care anymore.

Make the fights interesting, and I'll be completely okay with it.

...How old do you think Yurin was in that Flashback?

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#56712: May 7th 2017 at 7:19:22 AM

I think Yurin was about 13 in the flashback, which would make her in her 40s nowadays. She aged well.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56713: May 7th 2017 at 7:22:00 AM

So a little younger than say, Chi-chi then.

That's just a guess though. I mean, we can't even tell when that flashback took place. Plus, Goku and Krillin at 12 years old didn't look too different from when they were both 15.

And lets not forget Trunks and Goten, who started out at 7 and 8 years old and are now...

How old are those two again?

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#56714: May 7th 2017 at 7:24:21 AM

Depends on how long Super's been going on. According to the official timeline, they should be 14 and 15. My belief is that Super retconned the official timeline, and it's actually only been 2-3 years, which would make Goten and Trunks 9-10 and 10-11, respectively.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56715: May 7th 2017 at 7:30:00 AM

I suppose we'll see.

So here's a thought: Looking at Yurin, she feels like a character who could have benefited from appearing earlier in the series (maybe around the time of the Tien's original appearance, or perhaps during the Picccolo Jr arc).

At least then, she might not have been so easily shrugged off by Roshi.

Do you think there are any characters who might have had more impact if they'd appeared before Power Levels got as high as they did?

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#56716: May 7th 2017 at 7:32:41 AM

Gero's son.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#56717: May 7th 2017 at 7:35:02 AM

Well we are in the year 780 and Goten was born in 767 so he is 13 and doesn't look a day older than when he was 7.

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#56718: May 7th 2017 at 7:39:35 AM

The official timeline says we're in the year 780. And the only evidence for that is based on how old Pan and Bra were in End of Z, which has clearly been retconned, even if the broadest scale of the events in it are still going to happen.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#56719: May 7th 2017 at 7:47:45 AM

Nothing has really been retconned, they seem to be trying very hard to not retcon anything.

The only big problem is Goten and Trunks should have aged a lot by now, Gohan was like twice their size at 10/11 vs Perfect Cell, and they are 2 and 3 years older than Gohan respectively.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56720: May 7th 2017 at 7:53:01 AM

Maybe Human Saiyan Hybrids with no tails age different for Saiyans (or Human Saiyan Hybrids) with no tails?

Or maybe, like most everything else in this series, they just don't care.

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#56721: May 7th 2017 at 8:22:26 AM

[up]Or Maybe Toriyama hasn't come up with a new design for them yet. :p

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#56722: May 7th 2017 at 8:24:16 AM

[up]

That, or it's something that Toriyama simply didn't plan for when Super came around.

I mean, sure, we know that Gohan's gone through several obvious design changes to show his aging, but Goten's only really gotten two (discounting GT): his current look as a young Goku doppelganger, and his appearance at Eo Z.

You'd THINK that like Gohan there'd be a design transition somewhere, but I don't think Toriyama ever considered it.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#56723: May 7th 2017 at 8:28:16 AM

The design for a 13 year old Trunks already exists, we see it in the History of Trunks. Yes Future Gohan died this year, 780. He should look exactly like this....

edited 7th May '17 8:34:06 AM by Memers

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#56724: May 7th 2017 at 8:45:21 AM

why isn't Gotenks in the ToP?

  • Constantly dicks around in a fight, causing him to lose.
  • Has a time limit on how long he can stay fused, which decreases the higher his power.
  • The kids are dumb and overconfident and would likely ring-out easily.
  • Defusing would likely cause them to be immediately disqualified.

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#56725: May 7th 2017 at 8:52:13 AM

Also, it's possible that everyone else on the team is stronger than either of them, individually. Including Super Saiyan.


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