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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#56501: May 3rd 2017 at 7:22:43 AM

I don't even dislike Goten, I like him. Which was my entire sarcastic point, that it's frustrating that he basically doesn't exist. All he's really done is fight a snake and get beaten up by the Jello dude.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#56502: May 3rd 2017 at 7:24:53 AM

Well, Super seems to want to salvage Gohan character with this new arc (Piccolo even called him out on being a nerd [lol]), so maybe they'll do something for Goten sooner or later.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#56503: May 3rd 2017 at 7:30:53 AM

And I have to agree with Pushover's and Saiga's general point about the Dragon Ball fandom. You have people screaming that Gohan not wanting to fight all the time is a sign that he's a better person than his father and Vegeta and should never been questioned, and then others going on about how him actually doing what he wants to do (be a scholar, still vague, but whatever) is ruining his character.

I've ripped on the Dragon Ball fandom before, but this is one of the few instances where I can honestly see where both sides are coming from.

On one hand, there's no shame in wanting to pursue academics instead of combat, and I think the insistence that Gohan is less of a character for doing so carries more than a few troubling implications. On the other hand, Dragon Ball Z spent three arcs building up Gohan as the prodigal son to surpass Goku, and it's kind of weak that they would just renege on that.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#56504: May 3rd 2017 at 7:33:17 AM

I mean, I still think DBO's thing of Gohan approaching ki and Martial Arts from an academic perspective, and publishing the science behind it all is still an amazing and neat concept.

Like, a filler episode where Gohan is working on his thesis, and just says that ki is something he's interested studying and researching would be cool.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#56505: May 3rd 2017 at 7:50:35 AM

I understand that people want characters to fight in a battle Shonen, but it shouldn't be their defining traits. I really do dislike how much of this fan base subscribes to What Measure Is a Non-Badass?.

It's far from universal, but it's still prominent.

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#56506: May 3rd 2017 at 7:55:20 AM

I guess Gohan doing something not related to fighting is weird for some people.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56507: May 3rd 2017 at 10:45:10 AM

It's really only the obsessive Gohan fans that wouldn't get a grip.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#56508: May 3rd 2017 at 12:28:38 PM

To be fair, him just getting shunted like that is annoying in general, fan or not. Besides, I don't see many of those types on this site.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56509: May 3rd 2017 at 12:39:03 PM

I just feel bad for Goku. Dude has two sons & both of them grow out of the family business to pursue other stuff. I see Goku as this lonely dad who wants to do the thing he leaves doing with his sons but they say no cause they grew out of it.

Hell when Goku does find someone who will willingly train with him, its the reincarnation of one of his greatest foes.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56510: May 3rd 2017 at 12:39:48 PM

Unless I state so in my post, I never only talk about this site. The kinds of fans I'm referring too, and they do exist, have never posted here.

edited 3rd May '17 1:20:24 PM by VeryMelon

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#56511: May 3rd 2017 at 1:16:44 PM

[up][up]Family business? Gotendo does help Karrot with the crops...occasionally.

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#56512: May 3rd 2017 at 2:15:32 PM

Gohan was more of pseudo child soldier who got "recruited" by Piccolo to help figth against teh Saiyans while Goten lived (somewhat) normal life with his mom. If this weren't a shonen batte comedy gag manga series, Gohan would a have a ton of issues. Gohan was never a fighter like his dad is, he doesn't like to fight unless it is to protect his friends and family or just to survive. Gohan does grow more bolder as the series progresses but he is hstill a gentle guy at heart and he genuinely does want to be a scholar. Think about it this way, Adult Gohan could had become a fighter like his old man yet he still went to school and become a scholar despite no longer living with his parents anymore, what does that tell you about him? I think the problem is less to do with Gohan's fighting prowess as much as it is that his skills as a scholar hasn't utilized in the series proper what with Dragon ball being a fighting series and all.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56513: May 3rd 2017 at 2:28:37 PM

Gohan totally enjoys fighting. He just doesn't enjoy fighting in the context of the world literally depending on it, unlike Goku or Vegeta. So he's like a notmal person.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#56514: May 3rd 2017 at 3:27:45 PM

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I'm not even sure if he enjoys it in that context. I mean, when has he ever been in a fight that wasn't deciding the fate of the entire planet?

As pointed out, Gohan is a child soldier drafted against his will. From the very start, the fights he was involved in were brutal affairs that saw lots of people dying in front of him with him unable to do anything about it. He's never fought in a safe, just for fun tournament like his dad got to do.

It was alway serious business for him.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#56515: May 3rd 2017 at 3:29:42 PM

Does the tournament in the Buu Saga count at least before it went crazy?

Wait wasn't he forced to join that one cause of Videl?

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#56516: May 3rd 2017 at 3:32:51 PM

[up][up][up]So basically Gohan treats the main thing his father's race treats as a lifelong obsession as more of a hobby to indulge in on the weekends unless its literal end of the world scenarios? Sounds legit.

[up][up]Honestly, the only legitimate in-universe reason Gohan ended up so well-adjusted is because, in my opinion, his Saiyan heritage managed to psychologically prepare him for the metric ton of crap that happened to him without him realizing it. Any regular human would have spent decades in therapy if they went through what Gohan did as a kid. I agree that Gohan would actually likes fighting, but he doesn't actively seek it like Goku and Gohan's been avoiding it because of all those world ending scenarios.

[up]That gets a pass because it was supposed to be a nice, calm, normal tournament where the fate of planet is not resting on anybody's shoulders - aw, whoop, there's Babidi.

In terms of Goten, since watching Super I've always envisioned him as what would happen if Kid Goku actually lived in actual civilization and was smarter in things not having to do with fighting. The fact that he's become more powerful than both Goku and Gohan at the tender age of 6 without realizing it is a pleasant bonus.

edited 3rd May '17 3:40:28 PM by UdtheImp

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#56517: May 3rd 2017 at 3:35:36 PM

Gohan was seriously disappointed when he was told to take Yajirobe, Bulma, and Baby Trunks home because he really wanted to fight the Androids. He was also eager to train with Goku in the HTC and showed the desire to fight- if for no other reason than to save people- several times. He just comes out the HTC and suddenly has no desire to fight when it came time for the Cell Games. Just came right out of nowhere. At least it did in the English dub of Kai.

Come the Boo Saga and, again, Gohan has absolutely no issues with fighting. He fights as the Great Saiyaman, he had no issues fighting in the Tenkaichi Budoukai once he was convinced to do so, he had no issues with fighting Babadi's goons or fighting Majin Boo. Gohan has no problems with fighting outside of that bit with Cell. He just decided it'd be fine if he spends absolutely no time whatsoever training and just leaves it up to his dad to save the world.

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#56518: May 3rd 2017 at 3:36:06 PM

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The really weird thing is how obsessed people are with Gohan. I just don't understand.

Especially after Super has effectively neutered him....

edited 3rd May '17 3:36:41 PM by hardcorefakes

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56519: May 3rd 2017 at 3:36:11 PM

NVM.

edited 3rd May '17 3:36:56 PM by LSBK

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#56520: May 3rd 2017 at 3:57:23 PM

Gohan's issues fighting Cell are attributed to him thinking that the whole event was just a pointless Conflict Ball. He didn't like that Cell and his dad were both so relaxed and nonchalant about something that should be serious, and their attitude killed any dramatic tension the tournament would've had for him, until the Cell Jrs happened.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56521: May 3rd 2017 at 4:06:18 PM

The really weird thing is how obsessed people are with Gohan. I just don't understand.

I don't think we'll ever understand THAT flavor of Gohan fan.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56522: May 3rd 2017 at 4:08:27 PM

[up][up]That still doesn't really fly when Cell has made it perfectly clear, that however nonchalant he is, that he plans on killing everyone on the planet unless someone stops him. I understand him not getting Goku's attitude, but you really can't claim there was "no tension" there.

And the way he reacts to not being able to reason with Cell, really doesn't mesh with anything else he had experienced before that point.

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#56523: May 3rd 2017 at 4:09:54 PM

Does the tournament in the Buu Saga count at least before it went crazy? Wait wasn't he forced to join that one cause of Videl?

He was blackmailed by Videl. His whole mantra in that arc was not wanting to draw any attention to himself.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56524: May 3rd 2017 at 4:10:51 PM

[up] Ok does not count then.

Huh then there is no example of Gohan fighting for fun.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#56525: May 3rd 2017 at 4:23:58 PM

The blackmail was just an excuse, he was still excited. His only reservations were when Vegeta was mentioning he was thinking about entering, once Goku joined in he was excited again.

The big problem I have is they are treating it as you can't be smart and fight, like a Genius Bruiser like Negi Springfield can't exist and do well. This episode actively made fun of it

edited 3rd May '17 4:24:16 PM by Memers


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