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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#56251: Apr 29th 2017 at 12:00:55 AM

Out of boredom and cruelty...

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56252: Apr 29th 2017 at 8:01:29 AM

[up][up]Why are you equating the Super manga with the original manga?

The entire bit of Super is such a weird position that it makes talks of "canon" even weirder than they already were.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#56253: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:26:24 AM

The manga and anime are both following Toriyama's outline. If an element exists in both version then that means it was almost certainly in Toriyama's outline. That's the metric we've been using to judge what is absolutely canon to Super and what was created by Toei/Toyotaro for a while now.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56254: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:45:27 AM

Perhaps I should phrase it a different way, it may be canon, but that doesn't mean people can't complain about it because it doesn't make sense.

As often seems to be the crux of things with Super; the "Goku and Chichi have never kissed" joke, is an example of flanderization that just doesn't really make sense even if we're supposed to take it as true.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56255: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:47:20 AM

Agreed. I mean...they have two sons. HOW COULD THEY HAVE NOT EVER KISSED EVEN ONCE?

There's zero logic in that at all.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#56256: Apr 29th 2017 at 9:54:29 AM

Toriyama gonna Toriyama ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

At this point, Toriyama clearly doesn't give a fuck about consistency and just writes what he enjoys; it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it is what it is.

Sometimes I get the impression that he preferred writing stuff like early Dragon Ball and the Boo saga as opposed to all of that action stuff that people all over the world know.

edited 29th Apr '17 9:55:08 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56257: Apr 29th 2017 at 10:01:05 AM

He's called himself a "gag mangaka at heart" or something to that effect, so that's probably not too far off.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56258: Apr 29th 2017 at 10:01:53 AM

Agreed. The action became a necessity, but he's definitely a joke man at heart.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#56259: Apr 29th 2017 at 10:17:15 AM

It just never ceases to amuse how the perception of Dragon Ball changes depending on where you are. Because good god was (and to an extent, still is) this series the embodiment of American Kirby Is Hardcore in the fanbase.

Everyone came up with their own pretentious OC's, new Super Saiyans, Linkin Park AMV's, Dark Fics.

Meanwhile Toriyama be writing poop and sex jokes.

Hype Trailer for the actual tournament:

Notice how Goku and Vegeta's segments have moments from Super itself, while everyone else's are from Z :)

edited 29th Apr '17 11:51:57 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#56260: Apr 29th 2017 at 1:23:12 PM

Well, besides Piccolo, Roshi, Tien, and Krillin, who have their segments taken from the Resurrection F stuff.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56261: Apr 29th 2017 at 1:40:14 PM

So according to Toyotaro, Dragon Ball Super will at least reach the End of Z.

Today, Toyotaro, guest at Napoli Comicon in Naples (Italy), said on Dragon Ball Super future: "we are preparing the ground to direct Dragon Ball Super into original Dragon Ball Z ending."

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56262: Apr 29th 2017 at 2:27:35 PM

Oooh we might be able to see Uub again.

I wonder how Beerus will react to Majin Buu's reincarnation?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#56263: Apr 29th 2017 at 2:31:55 PM

[up][up].....Wasn't that already known though?

Unless they specifically meant they're gonna retcon the ending.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#56264: Apr 29th 2017 at 2:44:14 PM

Neat, Goten, Trunks and Marron will finally be allowed to age.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#56265: Apr 29th 2017 at 3:31:53 PM

The real question is if that will be the end of Super.

This song needs more love.
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#56266: Apr 29th 2017 at 3:32:11 PM

Limit Break X Survivor is still such a hype song.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56267: Apr 29th 2017 at 3:36:17 PM

[up][up] I hope not. There's a lot of potential for beyond Z storylines especially finally making Pan a Super Saiyan.

[up] It really is.

When is the full sing supposed to come out?

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#56268: Apr 29th 2017 at 3:49:05 PM

Agreed. I mean...they have two sons. HOW COULD THEY HAVE NOT EVER KISSED EVEN ONCE?

There's zero logic in that at all.

You dont need to kiss to have sex. Many cultures in South America and central Africa do not kiss at all, ever, they find it gross and many languages do not even have a word for it.

It shows that Goku's periods of isolation did not imprint on him many cultural aspects of society, in this case in the romantic aspects.

edited 29th Apr '17 3:50:22 PM by Memers

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56269: Apr 29th 2017 at 3:51:12 PM

You don't need to kiss for sex, but I doubt Chichi would be okay with never kissing her husband, and I don't see it never coming up.

That's not the kind of thing Goku should be oblivious to, nor is it the kind of thing I'd envision him having a problem doing.

Even taking them having children out of the equation, it just doesn't line up reasonably.

edited 29th Apr '17 3:52:33 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#56270: Apr 29th 2017 at 3:52:11 PM

That is...

Finally, someone speaks up against that overreaction.

[up]Would it be fine if Chi-Chi did nothingdespite having a problem?

edited 29th Apr '17 3:54:20 PM by randomness4

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56271: Apr 29th 2017 at 3:53:48 PM

I mean I could buy Goku never initiating a kiss much but less so for Chi-Chi.

Cause isn't she genuinely attracted to Goku? Dude's an attractive guy so shouldn't she feel something?

edited 29th Apr '17 3:56:05 PM by slimcoder

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#56272: Apr 29th 2017 at 3:59:36 PM

[up][up][up] More than half the world does not kiss romantically. Chi Chi herself might not like to do it as well.

Looking up the numbers, 23% of Asia do not kiss.

They probably do other things to show affection, we might have even seen it on screen but innocuous to us, but it does not have to be kissing. With Goku a kind of blank slate Chi Chi can well teach him what she likes and Goku might want to do something different, it would be weird to us but fine for them.

edited 29th Apr '17 4:02:44 PM by Memers

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56273: Apr 29th 2017 at 4:03:28 PM

[up]You do realize that means the vast majority do, right? Chichi is very clearly romantically interested in Goku, and if "not kissing" wasn't strange in the Dragon World (or Japan) it wouldn't work as a joke. It's supposed to be outrageous.

As I said before, even if Goku had no concept of kissing growing up (which I believe) I don't buy it not being explained to him or never coming up in his marriage.

Also, are you equating "making out" with pecks on the checks or lips?

All that being said, Chichi's and Goku's relationship doesn't particularly interest me, but I get why other people would be bothered by this, at least as a part of what annoys them about Super.

edited 29th Apr '17 4:06:12 PM by LSBK

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#56274: Apr 29th 2017 at 4:05:40 PM

The problem is less that Goku and Chi-Chi never kissed (though I swear that she kissed him on the cheek late in Dragon Ball), it's that the idea of being married equating to kissing is completely foreign to him when even Vegeta knew about it. I don't buy that in all of this time, Goku has never seen a married couple kiss, whether it be Gohan and Videl or Bulma's parents or whoever.

This song needs more love.

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