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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#5601: Mar 8th 2014 at 2:43:56 PM

So Super Saiyan 4 GT Goku is equal to Super Saiyan God Z Goku?

edited 8th Mar '14 2:44:25 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#5602: Mar 8th 2014 at 2:51:46 PM

I still find it funny that Adult GT Goku is a separate character in DBH. tongue

Sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5603: Mar 8th 2014 at 3:31:01 PM

Those numbers simply don't work. For many, many reasons.

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#5604: Mar 8th 2014 at 3:44:25 PM

Well, I was just throwing things out there. I don't think it's too unreasonable that 4 = G, but yeah, maybe I should've ranked the others higher.

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Sockpuppet1 Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#5605: Mar 8th 2014 at 3:47:09 PM

Omega Shenron should be at least 150 times stronger than Shadow arc SS-4 Goku, who should be head and shoulders above his Baby arc self, for example. And his Baby arc SS-4 self should be about ten times stronger than Super Baby 2, who is stated to be stronger than Buuhan.

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#5606: Mar 8th 2014 at 10:38:56 PM

[up] Actually I don't think Omega was that strong, since Goku did blow him up with the Dragon Fist.

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#5607: Mar 9th 2014 at 10:00:44 AM

Do you think it hurts when transforming into SSJ-4? I mean, Goku was in kid form and it forced him into adult form. Imagine the stretch marks...

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#5608: Mar 9th 2014 at 11:29:39 AM

Dragon Fist is just a really haxxed attack. Syn tanked the x10 Kamehameha without a scratch, and then stated that his power rose ten fold upon absorbing the Dragon Balls.

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#5609: Mar 9th 2014 at 11:32:00 AM

Did he explicitly say tenfold?

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#5612: Mar 9th 2014 at 10:50:01 PM

I've always wondered how Cell would have behaved if Gero was still alive. He referred to him as his "father" and "Dr. Gero sama" in the Japanese version so I wonder if Gero had still been alive when he made his presence known would he have differed to him in his plans for destroying the world and such.

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#5613: Mar 9th 2014 at 10:57:54 PM

For what it's worth, if you do a Cell vs. Gero match in the video games Cell remains respectful and judging by his victory lines is merely sparring with the doctor, not murdering him.

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#5614: Mar 10th 2014 at 2:35:45 PM

So what power level at minimum would be required to destroy the Earth? I've always wondered. I mean granted the series is rife with inconsistency of battle power, mostly due to mistranslated quotes from the manga or data books, the English dub just flat-out fucking up facts from the original scripts of the anime for several years (*cough*Funimation*cough*), filler, or Weekly Shonen Jump wanting to be assholes and throwing out random power levels just to add to the confusion.

From what I've gathered, with a power lever of between the region of 139 & 180 can destroy the moon if he puts all of his power into it. (Those two power levels were provided from Daizenshuu 7 and Weekly Jump 1990, and were Master Roshi's recorded power levels and he did infamously blow up the moon and he didn't even have to go all out to do it.)

Now here's where things get interesting, when the moon is blown up... again... Piccolo pulled it off almost casually with power level of 322 (According to the manga) So if the manga is any indication, you can one-shot the moon with a power level of at least 320.

Now considering the Earth is approximately four times larger than the moon, (radius of Earth is 6371.0 km and the radius of the moon is 1737.10 km) I'm guessing you would need to at least quadruple your power level to some major damage to the Earth, so:

320 x 4 = 1280

Which means you would need power level of at least 1280 to cause come serious damage to the Earth. Right? Well, here is where things get even more interesting.

In the TV special Bardock: The Father Of Goku, Frieza destroys planet Vegeta, an planet ten times larger than Earth because it was stated in the manga to have gravity that was ten times stronger than that of Earth... and he did it in his first form. A feat which was later solidified in the manga through a flashback, and Frieza stated in the manga his power level in his first form was 530,000.

This may sound like lousy and basic calculations but to destroy a planet ten times smaller than Plant Vegeta you would need a power level ten times weaker than that of Frieza in his first form, so if you scale the power level:

530,000/10 = 53,000

So now all a sudden it seems as though you would need a power level of at least 53,000 to destroy the Earth? I'm not great at math or calculations, so somebody that is in this thread, could you fill me in... cause I'm lost... Or maybe it's about how much power you concentrate into your attack? I dunno, I'm freakin confusedsad

edited 10th Mar '14 4:21:46 PM by FireShadow

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#5615: Mar 10th 2014 at 2:39:11 PM

Why would 53,000 be a minimum to destroy Earth? It's not as though Frieza would have to use all of his strength to destroy Planet Vegeta.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#5616: Mar 10th 2014 at 4:07:36 PM

Vegeta was around 19k when he attacked Earth and he said he'd blow the entire thing up with his Galick gun.

How do we know Frieza was exerting his full effort when he blew up Planet Vegeta? He didn't seem to be straining particularly hard when he gathered the energy whereas Vegeta had to charge up for a minute before his blast was able to fire with enough power.

edited 10th Mar '14 4:07:46 PM by Kostya

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#5617: Mar 10th 2014 at 4:09:45 PM

really,any moonbusting attack could probably damage Earth enough to destroy life on it. tongue

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#5618: Mar 10th 2014 at 5:02:26 PM

I think even 500 would be enough to blow this place into space dust. Even King Piccolo was able to casually cause multiple nuclear-scale explosions, and he was sub-200.

...Which makes me kind of worry about the world of Dragon Ball Online, where 100k was the norm... someone could just casually in their backyard pierce a big laser through the Earth's core and nobody would notice until it was too late.

edited 10th Mar '14 5:04:15 PM by BaffleBlend

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#5619: Mar 10th 2014 at 5:41:02 PM

King Piccolo was 260. Vegeta was 18,000 when attacking the Earth and his attack was around 24,000 when he said it could turn the Earth to space dust. That doesn't necessarily mean it NEEDS to be 24,000 to destroy the Earth though.

Size doesn't matter. Not really. What matters is mass and binding energy. That's why even though Jupiter is not thousands of times larger than Earth, it would take thousands of times as much power to destroy.

Thanks to comic book physics, planet Vegeta should be the size of a small dwarf star. Though I doubt it's meant to be that big in story.

edited 10th Mar '14 5:42:10 PM by Sockpuppet1

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#5621: Mar 10th 2014 at 6:09:36 PM

Jupiter has a solid core under all that gas, so that'd still be around even if you blew its atmosphere away.

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#5622: Mar 10th 2014 at 6:17:48 PM

And then it would all be diamondsssssssss

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edited 10th Mar '14 6:19:27 PM by BaffleBlend

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#5623: Mar 10th 2014 at 6:27:15 PM

Weird question, I'm sure. But who'd be worse off, the pre-Z fighters joining the Tourament of Death, or the end-of-series Spirit Detective team winding up in the Z World...between the Cell and Buu sagas, let's say?

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#5624: Mar 10th 2014 at 9:20:47 PM

Yuyu Hakusho characters.

S-classes are enough to destroy all life on Earth, but they're not planet busters. Dark tournament's strongest guy was an upper B-class, so pre-Z characters would've been far too much for the tournament to handle.

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#5625: Mar 10th 2014 at 9:26:25 PM

Huh. I guess. I was just trying to think of a period where the Yusukei and friends wouldn't be totally outclassed that didn't involve Kuwabara fighting children, and all I could think of was right after the 23rd Martial Arts Tournament.

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