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Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#56076: Apr 18th 2017 at 11:29:49 PM

[up]He was not in the anime so I guess that was Toyotaro's decision.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#56077: Apr 19th 2017 at 12:37:48 AM

Raditz saying that their planet was destroyed like 5 years ago does count, though.

Which is an Adaptation-Induced Plot Hole

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#56078: Apr 19th 2017 at 1:04:48 AM

It contradicts the Baddock special!!

No way...

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#56080: Apr 19th 2017 at 5:47:42 PM

[up] That makes the 5 minutes even more ridiculous!

Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#56081: Apr 20th 2017 at 12:57:19 AM

Anyone find it funny how there's still some recent pieces of official art that have Vegeta with reddish hair despite not having that hair color since the Saiyan Saga incorrection?

Like for example, the card on the far right has really reddish hair even though it's Buu Saga Vegeta.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#56082: Apr 20th 2017 at 10:18:58 AM

Randomness remembers it being more purplish...but alright.

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#56083: Apr 20th 2017 at 3:49:36 PM

I remember Goku thinking about fusing with Mr Satan before Vegeta arrived. Given Super Buu has a restraint against touching Hercule, I wonder how he'd react to Gokule

Demetrios Making darkness adorable since 1999 from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#56084: Apr 20th 2017 at 4:40:42 PM

Wasn't Super Buu pure evil at that point, though? That restraint might not have been there anymore. surprised Then again, I haven't seen that part in forever. ^_^;;

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#56085: Apr 20th 2017 at 6:11:05 PM

It sort of came and went. He specifically never harms Hercule, even as Kid Buu, until he spat out his good half. He even avoided targeting him with the Human Extinction Attack.

But, he also didn't harm Videl initially, only to wind up turning her into chocolate and eating her.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#56086: Apr 20th 2017 at 7:32:37 PM

At the point where he split, Mr Buu only had genuine care for Mr Satan and Bee. His heart may have been opened, but he hadn't been given enough time to care about, say, Goku or humanity as a whole. Videl had the misfortune of not being Mr Satan, and Super Buu not giving enough thought in his chocolate rampage

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#56087: Apr 20th 2017 at 10:39:20 PM

I've always thought Super Buu's initial restraint with Videl was more of a token grace to Hercule, but the sentiment and feeling behind it no longer existed.

Kind of like in a story when a villain spares the hero's life as an insincere gesture for a past favor, then has no problem trying to kill to kill them the next time they meet. There's no genuine respect for their life there, just an inclination to clear up a past debt.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#56088: Apr 21st 2017 at 4:41:16 AM

Super Buu still never directly harms Hercule though.

So I do get the sense that he does on some level care for Mr. Satan's life, and would struggle with harming him.

Like, even Kid Buu seemingly physically can't harm Hercule until he spits out Mr. Buu. He just seizes up, freezes, his muscles lock up and all he can do is scream in frustration.

Like, the reason Super Buu even exists is Buu's anger over Mr. Satan's death. That's what allowed Buu's evil to escape.

It'd be a bit much to say that Hercule is Super Buu's motivation, but. There definitely seems to be a connection there. Call him the catalyst or trigger or what have you.

Like, Super Buu wasn't even pure evil. He's what happens when Buu's pure evil eats Buu's pure good.

He's the same as Fat Buu, only. Redistributed, basically. Which I like and find interesting.

edited 21st Apr '17 4:50:07 AM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#56089: Apr 21st 2017 at 7:36:26 AM

Like, Super Buu wasn't even pure evil. He's what happens when Buu's pure evil eats Buu's pure good. He's the same as Fat Buu, only. Redistributed, basically. Which I like and find interesting.

Those were more or less my thoughts on the whole thing as well. Satan was an inadvertent (but not particularly strong) Morality Pet. As long as the Fat Buu was a part of him, no later versions of Buu could bring themselves to harm him. It was only when he removed that part (after Vegeta cut him off from him within the body) that he was 100% his old self again.

This proves Babidi is an idiot. If he'd established the same relationship with Buu that Satan did, he'd have essentially been bulletproof. But that little turd can't see past his own nose, so I'm not shocked.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56090: Apr 21st 2017 at 7:40:34 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#56091: Apr 21st 2017 at 10:05:44 AM

You sound like an apologist right now you know that.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56092: Apr 21st 2017 at 10:21:25 AM

I certainly hope that wasn't aimed at me.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56093: Apr 21st 2017 at 10:23:20 AM

You know, regardless of which you like better, having the anime and manga be so out of sync with each other is just weird.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56094: Apr 21st 2017 at 11:17:15 AM

That's due to Toriyama's encouragement. If it wasn't for that I believe the manga would be a 1 for 1 clone of the anime.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#56095: Apr 21st 2017 at 11:41:26 AM

That's right. Toriyama is far more involved in the manga (what with him being more concerned about the jokes in the latter). I guess he just wanted to let Toei do what they felt like doing.

it's not a surprise some consider the Manga the true adaptation or something, though Toriyama is pretty chill on that if I understand.

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#56096: Apr 21st 2017 at 12:32:18 PM

Wait is Toriyama isn't more involved in the manga? Doesn't he tell Toryota and Toei basically the same outline and they go from there?

35 year old white man.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56097: Apr 21st 2017 at 12:37:42 PM

He's not "more involved" with anyone.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56098: Apr 21st 2017 at 12:43:22 PM

Toyotaro did say he was rather particular about the jokes didn't he? I guess I took that as greater involvement on one end than it really was.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#56099: Apr 21st 2017 at 12:47:48 PM

I think the context was the same joke appears in both the anime and the manga, while things like the fight scenes are wildly different. This speaks to Toriyama's priorities as a storyteller, not his heavier involvement in one over the other.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56100: Apr 21st 2017 at 12:49:54 PM

[up]Agreed. I never assumed he was prioritizing one medium over the other.


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