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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#56026: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:38:10 PM

And, after all, Zamasu had no Hakaishin counterpart. He had no legimity to his Godhood, he didn't take any position, he just deemed himself a God after killing the actual ones.

Well in the anime I could buy that being a regular Kai still made you god enough for the earrings to work.

Why didn't they just do the goddamn fusion dance, if you were gonna shove a stupid time limit into it?

Fanservice.

edited 18th Apr '17 2:38:26 PM by Moth13

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56027: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:43:08 PM

Eh, I stopped caring about Gogeta months ago. Aside from Merged Zamasu having the time limit there's nothing else to this chapter the anime didn't already cover.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56028: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:47:45 PM

Is there an image of Gogeta I'm his base form cause I have never seen him not in his super form.

I'd imagine he has Goku's haircut.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#56029: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:49:54 PM

@Eriorguez

Vegeta took a gamble. Had things gone slightly differently, he could've remained in hell forever.

Vegetto was changed so that it was guaranteed that there'd be no consequences.

Yes, Vegeta's sacrifice does lose a bit of its impact when he comes back.

But at least there was a chance that he could've stayed dead forever.

This thing with Vegetto was changed so that there couldn't be permanent consequences. It's similar to you thinking you busted your ass in a fight in an RPG only to find out it was scripted and you could never lose to begin with.

Or like Highlander The Source, where it turns out that the coda of the entire fucking series, There Can Be Only One!, was completely false, and The Prize was never in danger of being won by evil, it couldn't be won by evil, and all the struggles, pain and death that the characters went through in the movies, show and the spinoffs was all completely meaningless because in the end Duncan Mac Leod won the prize straight from the source of immortality because he didn't kill an opponent that he had dead to rights.

edited 18th Apr '17 2:53:27 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#56030: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:51:55 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#56031: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:54:15 PM

Oh, that stupid argument.

"Dragon Ball has no tension, they have a reset button!"

If you're going to resort to that, you might as well admit you've got nothing.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#56032: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:02:26 PM

...

I'll try another tangent: What you are doing is about the same as complaining about Super Saiyan Goten making Goku vs. Freeza meaningless.

Lampodigenio Insert cool sentence here from Somewhere in Western Europe Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#56033: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:18:44 PM

(looks at the thread) Oh boy, it's been ages since my last time... (sees the discussion) Come on, Super applies stupid rectons, isn't that a fact after all they've done?

edited 18th Apr '17 3:19:39 PM by Lampodigenio

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56034: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:20:14 PM

Again is there an actual image of Gogeta in his base form?

I really want to see his normal haircut.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#56035: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:25:47 PM

Nope; they fused as base and went directly to Super Saiyan.

However, Fat Gogeta was in base the whole time, if that counts.

Also, retcons have been happened the entire franchise, since it was being written by the edge of Toriyama's pants. At least now we get a bit of worldbuilding, but alas, childhood nostalgia IS quite strong no matter what.

Lampodigenio Insert cool sentence here from Somewhere in Western Europe Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#56036: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:27:21 PM

Liiiike... There are only 29 planets in the whole universe? That kind of retcon?

edited 18th Apr '17 3:27:35 PM by Lampodigenio

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#56037: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:28:51 PM

Sayians got killed by a meteor Freeza, because he feared the legendary super sayian arsing Beerus told him to do that.

What retcons?

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#56038: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:29:59 PM

Life bearing planets. Kinda expected with Beerus, Buu and Freeza running around as well.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56039: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:31:29 PM

I mean, I don't think anyone said those weren't retcons or that they were necessarily good. That some already existed doesn't justify poorly making more of them.

edited 18th Apr '17 3:36:56 PM by LSBK

Lampodigenio Insert cool sentence here from Somewhere in Western Europe Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#56040: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:33:49 PM

[up] My point exactly. There are retcons that explain some plotholes well ore at least are inconsequential to what happened before, and there are the ones that flip the original story upside down.

edited 18th Apr '17 3:34:21 PM by Lampodigenio

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#56041: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:34:13 PM

I see them as as poor as the older ones, yet I fail to see those being challengered, just accepted as the way things are.

Double Standards are a pet peeve of mine.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56042: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:35:39 PM

Isn't Goku bein an alien a retcon or is it a reveal?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Lampodigenio Insert cool sentence here from Somewhere in Western Europe Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#56043: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:35:46 PM

[up][up]How can you say that without some explaining? Are you saying that the retcon of "Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta" that let the entire Namek Saga happen is as poor as the most recent ones?

edited 18th Apr '17 3:36:14 PM by Lampodigenio

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#56044: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:54:30 PM

Alright so what is with that new female Saiyan design? The Female Broly already has a drastically different design that is in the anime already (in a group shot, but still) so is that a new character or is it her manga design or what? Or did Toei do a goof?

edited 18th Apr '17 3:54:59 PM by LordVatek

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#56045: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:55:25 PM

It is Toriyama's design going public. It looks like Toei just went ahead and turned her into Broly.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#56046: Apr 18th 2017 at 3:59:32 PM

Alright then. If I'm being honest, I like Toei's better.

edited 18th Apr '17 3:59:52 PM by LordVatek

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#56048: Apr 18th 2017 at 4:07:53 PM

At this point it wouldn't even surprise me.

Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#56049: Apr 18th 2017 at 4:09:50 PM

The reason Gogeta wasn't used is because he isn't canon. Which considering how that matters more than anything else to some people seems like an easy answer to accept.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#56050: Apr 18th 2017 at 4:17:23 PM

No, the reason Gogeta wasn't used is because Toei got to him first; the entire reason why Potara Fusion is even a thing is because Toriyama didn't want to step on anyone's toes by basically going "no, this version of Gogeta is the true one".

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!

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