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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#56001: Apr 18th 2017 at 12:28:23 PM

Like, I would much preferred if he didn't use Blue at all in the exhibition match and saved it as a surprise during the tournament of power.

I don't know, Goku going Blue against Bergamo was one of the few times you got the impression Blue is a really big deal.

DarkHunter from New Mexico Since: Jan, 2001
#56002: Apr 18th 2017 at 12:49:56 PM

Also, he was told to absolutely not hold back in that fight... so he didn't.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56003: Apr 18th 2017 at 1:31:14 PM

Merged Zamasu is not a true Kai, so he too is under the Potara time limit. Basically, only 2 Kai fusing into a pure Kai will stay fused in the manga.

edited 18th Apr '17 1:31:24 PM by VeryMelon

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56004: Apr 18th 2017 at 1:32:57 PM

What's the difference between Vegito & Gogeta then now?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#56006: Apr 18th 2017 at 1:41:36 PM

What is canon in Dragon ball anyway?

"Mai waifu."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#56008: Apr 18th 2017 at 1:43:48 PM

Given how alternate timelines are a thing, I just say that everything is canon.

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56009: Apr 18th 2017 at 1:45:20 PM

Your canon, he's canon, she's canon, everybody's canon.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56010: Apr 18th 2017 at 1:45:50 PM

I just find it funny how it bothers some people when canon is discussed.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56011: Apr 18th 2017 at 1:48:13 PM

I'd say it's the way it's discussed more than anything else, but even with that caveat, most of the people's who dislike it haven't endeared me to their arguments.

edited 18th Apr '17 1:49:35 PM by LSBK

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#56012: Apr 18th 2017 at 1:51:55 PM

Merged Zamasu is not a true Kai, so he too is under the Potara time limit. Basically, only 2 Kai fusing into a pure Kai will stay fused in the manga.

coughcoughElderKaicoughcough

edited 18th Apr '17 2:04:42 PM by Shlugo_the_great

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#56013: Apr 18th 2017 at 1:53:52 PM

[up][up][up]The problem is that 90% of the time it's only brought up in order to shut down other people.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56014: Apr 18th 2017 at 1:54:07 PM

[up][up]True, he is always going to be the loose thread in this discussion.

[up]I mean, not all things are equally valid in a story. If that offends you, well...

edited 18th Apr '17 1:55:26 PM by LSBK

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56015: Apr 18th 2017 at 1:57:18 PM

coughtcoughElderKaicoughtcough

Sorry, it seems like the actual translation refers to unfused Zamasu not being a True Kai. And if he isn't, then Goku Black sure as shit ain't.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56016: Apr 18th 2017 at 1:58:22 PM

So why are people surprised that Fem-Broly doesn't have a tail? She's from Cabba's world & didn't they already explain that his Saiyan's haven't grown tails for generations?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#56017: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:02:59 PM

[up][up][up]Yeah I actually do dislike that people are insistent on enforcing their own standards of viewing things on other people instead of going with the flow of the current paradigm.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56018: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:05:54 PM

[up]If the "current paradigm" has logical and consistency issues that did not exist before, then pointing them out is absolutely with in anyone's rights, and if some people happen to dislike that or can't adequately defend it, well, that's on them.

No one can tell you what to enjoy, but you also can't tell other people they can't have problems with things you enjoy, especially not when they're actually bothering to explain it.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#56019: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:20:04 PM

I'm not saying don't have problems with things, I'm saying don't mindlessly shut down things other people bring up because it doesn't fit with what you have decided is okay to talk about (see the countless "why did you bring up Filler thing/GT thing" posts here and in the Abridged thread) In both threads I get a real impression that being the "most correct" is more important than cultivating a healthy atmosphere of conversation.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56020: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:22:41 PM

No, insisting that something is true in the manga because it happened in filler is why anyone speaks up to disagree.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#56021: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:24:23 PM

[up][up]And sometimes that happens, and it crosses a line. But for the most part to me when things like this come it sounds like people want "politeness" to trump actual discussion, and equating having an opinion and being willing to discuss and defend it firmly as incivility.

edited 18th Apr '17 2:26:34 PM by LSBK

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#56022: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:27:42 PM

So, the actual conclusion is that Vegito could use a Time Ring, due to him wearing Kaioshin Potaras, but he will not remain fused, as neither of the fusees has the position of Kaioshin.

And, after all, Zamasu had no Hakaishin counterpart. He had no legimity to his Godhood, he didn't take any position, he just deemed himself a God after killing the actual ones.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56023: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:30:30 PM

Pretty sure Vegito is a true God at this point.

Prolly even qualifies as a God of Destruction even higher than Beerus.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#56024: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:32:28 PM

The fact of the matter is that the time limit was unnecessary, it cheapened the sacrifice Vegeta and Goku made when they decided their existence was less important than the lives of their families, it makes no sense (again, Old Kai + Old Witch, they've been fused for years since he got out of the sword and likely for a very long time before) and it makes Vegetto functionally identical to Gogeta.

Why didn't they just do the goddamn fusion dance, if you were gonna shove a stupid time limit into it?

There's no reason why it needs to be other than 'because'.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#56025: Apr 18th 2017 at 2:34:07 PM

And I guess Vegeta being resurrected cheapened the impact of him blowing himself up?


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