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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55901: Apr 16th 2017 at 10:57:49 AM

Krillin has been a fighter longer than Gohan, so he would have more experience than Gohan. Krillin is older than Gohan.

And he won by exploiting the ring out rule, you make it sound as if Krillin over powered Gohan, which wasn't the case.

Gohan was still clearly the stronger one, which is why Krillin relied on his cunning.

edited 16th Apr '17 11:00:17 AM by Cortez

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55902: Apr 16th 2017 at 11:15:02 AM

More experience doesn't necessarily translate to better or more intense experience. Krillin being older than Gohan really should mean very little at this point.

edited 16th Apr '17 11:16:19 AM by LSBK

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#55903: Apr 16th 2017 at 11:15:44 AM

Once again, Gohan is a SAIYAN, you know the race who are instinctively inclined toward fighting? They are quite literally naturally skilled when it comes to fighting. Even a rusty Gohan was an inherently better fighter than Krillin in the Buu saga. So age was never really a factor before now because "Hey, we gotta make Krillin look respectable".

I don't have a problem with Gohan losing by ringout, but rather how they justified it by saying Krillin is a more experienced fighter when that's never been the case prior. I'm willing to let a lot of things slide in this series because of how it does thing, but there's only so much I can tolerate before I have to call bullshit.

edited 16th Apr '17 11:16:28 AM by BlackYakuzu94

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#55904: Apr 16th 2017 at 11:19:00 AM

It said Krillin was more experienced in tourney style battles specifically, where ring outs are something you have to watch for.

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#55905: Apr 16th 2017 at 11:21:12 AM

You know the true neglected characters in Dragon Ball are? All those animal people extras we used to see in DB and early DBZ before Toriyama completely forgot about them. Thanks to this one fanfic I'm following, I now want it to be revealed that 17's family, aside from him, consist entirely of animal people.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55906: Apr 16th 2017 at 12:13:34 PM

Well they made the Trio de Dangers so that concepts returned kinda.

I wonder if there's gonna be more animal people for the tourney.

edited 16th Apr '17 12:13:57 PM by slimcoder

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#55907: Apr 16th 2017 at 12:24:32 PM

Man, this days everyone and their brother is god level, huh? 17 sure would have been useful all those other times.

It's the by-product of Serial Escalation.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#55908: Apr 16th 2017 at 2:07:10 PM

Just because the writing isn't of amazing quality doesn't mean it's bad. Yeah, it's a simple, straightforward story with relatively simple characters. But at least they're done well, I'd rather have simple and uncomplicated over the author attempting to write something deep and complex that winds up producing an incredibly awful mess. Toriyama at least didn't tread waters too deep for him to swim in.

It does have a downside for characters not being terribly complex and the actual plot being minimal at best. It works for Dragon ball I suppose.

I like what Super is trying to do; give characters that have long since been forgotten some limelight, but it's very flawed in trying to do so. So...take what you get. Like, at this point, Super Saiyan Blue may as well just be a recolored Super Saiyan. Before they at least tried to act like it was a new threshold of power, but now it's basically used as often as any other transformation and it seems like everyone can keep up with it. It's basically starting to become So Last Season despite how relatively new it is lol, which makes the idea that Goku will be getting a new transformation all the more plausible. Like mentioned, Dragon Ball doesn't really have amazing writing and it's really flawed in a lot of areas, but it had some measure of consistency but you mostly read it for the cool fights or characters you like. Super pretty much embraces the latter wholeheartedly, eschewing any sort of consistency within the franchise or even itself for the sake of Rule of Cool and Rule of Fun. Whether that's good or not depends entirely up to the individual and what they're willing to tolerate. The manga is also there and somewhat tries to explain things that are mostly glossed over in the Anime. Whether it succeeds in that is also up to the individual. So yea, Super is very flawed and I'll admit there's a lot of things that make me roll my eyes, but I still watch it every week because it's Dragon Ball and I the series at least.

That is Dragon Ball Super for you, it doesn't have the best writing but it works I suppose.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#55909: Apr 16th 2017 at 2:23:32 PM

There are some moments when fans of children's media find themselves asking if they would've still liked something if they didn't first watch it when they were nine years old.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#55910: Apr 16th 2017 at 2:25:22 PM

[up] A question that I currently asking myself in regards to Dragon Ball currently. sad

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55911: Apr 16th 2017 at 2:29:56 PM

I mean I still enjoy this shit but there are things I have become more critical of now that I'm older.

Like the Saiyan battle. I think its a dick move how despite all the preparation Nappa just single-handedly slaughtered the Z-Fighters & only received scratch's & clothing damage in return. I think Nappa should have lost or at least be seriously injured instead of just waiting for Goku.

Also yeah the power-scaling like in the Frieza Saga such as when the Ginyu Force arrive, everyone gets wrecked & then Goku arrives & then they get wrecked easy. Its just constant curbstomps.

edited 16th Apr '17 2:30:20 PM by slimcoder

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#55912: Apr 16th 2017 at 2:31:26 PM

Considering I still watch Shonen religiously, I doubt it. Then again, I'm a kid at heart.

[up] I don't actually agree with that first point. Because Nappa being so ludicrously strong was definitely an effective "Holy shit!!" moment. You actually did feel like him and Vegeta are on a different level with how effortlessly they were beating the heroes before Goku showed up. And, if you watched Dragon Ball beforehand, it probably led to a few gut punches to see characters you grew attached to get slaughtered so mercilessly.

Granted, the effect is lost if anyone didn't watch Dragon Ball before Z as you probably didn't grow attached to any of the supporting characters.

edited 16th Apr '17 2:34:59 PM by BlackYakuzu94

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#55913: Apr 16th 2017 at 2:35:18 PM

[up][up]Given that the entire point of Nappa was to first stomp the Z fighters only to get stomped in return by Goku to show off his growth, that wouldn't make sense.

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#55914: Apr 16th 2017 at 2:39:11 PM

I have incredibly simplistic tastes in media. I just want a stream of action and humor. Deep characterizations, symbolic themes, and all that stuff are just icing on the cake to me.

So in that regard, Dragon Ball appeals to me.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55915: Apr 16th 2017 at 2:41:35 PM

Yeah I get it, its just I've gained a newfound respect for these characters, especially the humans & its really sad they couldn't do jackshit against Nappa.

I mean Tien literally killed himself with one last Tri-Beam. Dude always gives a 110%.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#55916: Apr 16th 2017 at 3:14:40 PM

That just means it should have made it all the better when Goku finally brought him down.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#55917: Apr 16th 2017 at 3:51:03 PM

Dragon Ball is good.

10/15: Would not rewatch again.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55918: Apr 16th 2017 at 5:46:58 PM

Phew. Took me a while to finally watch the latest ep.

So Goku and 17 finally meet. It's incredibly funny to think that these two never actually fought each other (though there are many characters in the series who never fought, as Abridged gleefully pointed out) let alone met face to face.

17's decision to not enter the tournament despite knowing the full consequences is strange. I can't really grasp the logic behind it.

As most have stated, the sudden jump in power levels for everyone has been questionable. It's ridiculous for them to suddenly be able to fight at such high levels when the series went to great pains to show us that they were completely out of their league in post Daimou / Z arc Dragonball.

I'm gonna wait to see how the manga handles this to determine how much of this is Toei forcing round holes into square pegs and how much is Toriyama just changing his mind about things (if these strength jumps are included in the manga than it was in his notes).

I thought I had more to say, but I guess that's it.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#55919: Apr 16th 2017 at 5:58:17 PM

I think these things are too extreme not to be part of his notes, so I think it's going to be like Piccolo struggling against someone in Freeza's army - just because plot.

edited 16th Apr '17 5:58:29 PM by Saiga

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#55920: Apr 16th 2017 at 11:27:32 PM

The Universal Tournament continues to prove that Zamasu has a point. He's totally right that the gods need to be more active in mortal affairs, even if his methods are totally wrong.

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Arashi Shigehito
#55922: Apr 16th 2017 at 11:53:11 PM

So...how would Goku vs Thor turn out?

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Rinsankajugin Since: Feb, 2012
#55923: Apr 17th 2017 at 1:17:57 AM

I'm not sure if they'll show 17's family in the next episode, but I personally hope his wife is Suno for a few good reasons...

  • 17 being buds with Eighter would be great.
  • Their kid could have red hair like a certain other android.
  • Their adopted kids could be twins to complement that.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#55924: Apr 17th 2017 at 1:49:02 AM

I hope we see his family. I really do. Unless it's meant to be a reveal, not showing them this episode was not a nice thing to do.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55925: Apr 17th 2017 at 6:04:47 AM

I think these things are too extreme not to be part of his notes, so I think it's going to be like Piccolo struggling against someone in Freeza's army - just because plot.

Really, so you believe he's actually writing these guys as suddenly being this strong then? I find it hard to believe he'd just change his mind when he put so much effort into making it clear the humans were totally outmatched previously even at their best.

...Well, with the exception of Yamcha, who's still a joke.

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