I mean, so far I've seen Hitōzaru and Super Saru as alternatives.
Also, new name for Goku's new form: Complete Triforce Getter Emperor Nine-Tails Tensa Zangetsu Gear Fourth Cosmic Armor Super Tengen Toppa Super Saiyan White Elder Omni-God Gurren Lagann Prime One Million Silver Eyes Six Paths Sage Rinne Sharingan Odinforce Infinity Gauntlet Heart of the Universe Majin Blazblue Paladin Mode Devil Trigger Trance Flame Dragon King Install Destroyer Form Lambda Driver Hyper Mode ZERO: Kaioken x100. Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series, and Knuckles.
edited 16th Apr '17 1:17:18 AM by Ssj3Gojira
Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!Just because the writing isn't of amazing quality doesn't mean it's bad.
Yeah, it's a simple, straightforward story with relatively simple characters. But at least they're done well, I'd rather have simple and uncomplicated over the author attempting to write something deep and complex that winds up producing an incredibly awful mess.
Toriyama at least didn't tread waters too deep for him to swim in.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimariNot just Z. People have been complaining about Super being the Goku and Vegeta show for a long while now.
Hmm, now that I think about it, since 17 never gets tired he should theoretically be able to do pushups far more efficiently than Frieza.
I don't mind them getting stronger, I just wish there was a better reason for it.
It seems like all the others are just suddenly deciding now we're Buu level ha ha!
It's a little silly, and this is from someone who's hated how large the gap was better Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and basically everyone else in the story for years now.
I'm curious to see how the manga handles it.
One Strip! One Strip!I like what Super is trying to do; give characters that have long since been forgotten some limelight, but it's very flawed in trying to do so. So...take what you get.
Like, at this point, Super Saiyan Blue may as well just be a recolored Super Saiyan. Before they at least tried to act like it was a new threshold of power, but now it's basically used as often as any other transformation and it seems like everyone can keep up with it. It's basically starting to become So Last Season despite how relatively new it is lol, which makes the idea that Goku will be getting a new transformation all the more plausible.
Like mentioned, Dragon Ball doesn't really have amazing writing and it's really flawed in a lot of areas, but it had some measure of consistency but you mostly read it for the cool fights or characters you like. Super pretty much embraces the latter wholeheartedly, eschewing any sort of consistency within the franchise or even itself for the sake of Rule of Cool and Rule of Fun.
Whether that's good or not depends entirely up to the individual and what they're willing to tolerate. The manga is also there and somewhat tries to explain things that are mostly glossed over in the Anime. Whether it succeeds in that is also up to the individual. So yea, Super is very flawed and I'll admit there's a lot of things that make me roll my eyes, but I still watch it every week because it's Dragon Ball and I the series at least.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.You just basically summed up my issues with Toriko.
If that isn't executed well and is basically "just because" that doesn't any mean anything. Then again, apparently a lot of people don't actually care about justification or execution.
edited 16th Apr '17 9:59:40 AM by LSBK
Well, Tien and Roshi, sure, but I'd argue that Krillin's power boost isn't as farfetched as we think it is.
First of all, I think people are overselling his feats in Episode 84. It was pretty clear to me that Goku wasn't using anything close to his full power during that sparring match. Goku has incredible control over his strength (as we saw in the latest episode when he was able to take out those mooks non-lethally), and he almost never goes 100% unless he absolutely has to. There's no way he would go all out against Krillin, since he knows how much weaker he is; hell, Krillin had to beg him to lay a punch on him back in the RF arc.
Second of all, the purpose of Krillin's mini-arc was to establish that some of the barriers holding Krillin back from getting stronger are mental, rather than physical. He has an inferiority complex, and he always goes into a fight expecting to fail. Which is, you know, understandable, since he was bullied as a child, and then he spent years training alongside someone who was always one step ahead of him (and then two steps, and then three steps, et cetera, et cetera). Episode 75 has him overcome that mental block and finally start believing in himself again, thus increasing his potential for gain.
At least, that's the way I see it.
edited 16th Apr '17 10:06:21 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest
No beer?! But if there's no beer, then there's no beef or beans!The problem I had wasn't so much Krillin trying to overcome a mental block, but rather how the series is selling it. Two episodes ago, we had him beating Gohan and lecturing him on how he needs to be focused in a real fight...as if Krillin is a way more experienced fighter than Gohan despite the fact that the latter has always been on the frontlines more than the former. And ya know, the fact that the latter is half-Saiyan. And don't try to tell me Gohan slacking off is a good enough reason because Krillin wasn't focused on martial arts for an even longer period of time and Gohan inherently stronger than him.
And then yea, Goku might've been holding back, but without any explanation or something we're just kind of supposed to assume that Krillin can keep up with Goku's super saiyan form and god level to an extent.
There's no Handwave aside from "He's not scared" anymore, which is rather flimsy if I'm honest. I like how he's getting some measure of development, but I think they're overselling it to the point of it being kinda nonsensical.
edited 16th Apr '17 10:13:21 AM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

Super Saiyan Prime or Super Saiyan Primal or something similar.
Considering they become more ape-lick & their hair color turns back to normal I take the transformation as them kinda regressing to a primitive state, something even older, wilder & stronger than the Super Saiyan.
edited 15th Apr '17 11:34:47 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."