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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55876: Apr 15th 2017 at 11:34:01 PM

Super Saiyan Prime or Super Saiyan Primal or something similar.

Considering they become more ape-lick & their hair color turns back to normal I take the transformation as them kinda regressing to a primitive state, something even older, wilder & stronger than the Super Saiyan.

edited 15th Apr '17 11:34:47 PM by slimcoder

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#55877: Apr 15th 2017 at 11:57:08 PM

I mean, so far I've seen Hitōzaru and Super Saru as alternatives.

Also, new name for Goku's new form: Complete Triforce Getter Emperor Nine-Tails Tensa Zangetsu Gear Fourth Cosmic Armor Super Tengen Toppa Super Saiyan White Elder Omni-God Gurren Lagann Prime One Million Silver Eyes Six Paths Sage Rinne Sharingan Odinforce Infinity Gauntlet Heart of the Universe Majin Blazblue Paladin Mode Devil Trigger Trance Flame Dragon King Install Destroyer Form Lambda Driver Hyper Mode ZERO: Kaioken x100. Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series, and Knuckles.

edited 16th Apr '17 1:17:18 AM by Ssj3Gojira

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#55878: Apr 16th 2017 at 2:53:52 AM

Dragon Ball is mostly made up of terrible writing but I don't watch it for good writing. That includes OG DB, DBZ and Super btw.

I read it because it's fun. Super is fun and that's good enough for me.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55879: Apr 16th 2017 at 3:01:24 AM

Well I wouldn't say terrible. I mean yeah DB doesn't have exactly Shakespearean writing but its good in the general sense.

Yeah its not exactly pristine quality but still DB/DBZ is good stuff I mean.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#55880: Apr 16th 2017 at 3:06:40 AM

Yeah I definitely disagree with DB having terrible writing. Toriyama has his weaknesses, but I think the manga was pretty well written and put together. It really depends what aspects you're judging by, though.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#55881: Apr 16th 2017 at 3:29:07 AM

A straight story...

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#55882: Apr 16th 2017 at 4:17:32 AM

Re: Krillin going to fight Frieza instead of #18 in RF:

My headcanon is that 18 knew Krillin was insecure about his strength, so she let him go out and join Goku to let him feel like a hero one more time.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#55883: Apr 16th 2017 at 5:05:20 AM

Just because the writing isn't of amazing quality doesn't mean it's bad.

Yeah, it's a simple, straightforward story with relatively simple characters. But at least they're done well, I'd rather have simple and uncomplicated over the author attempting to write something deep and complex that winds up producing an incredibly awful mess.

Toriyama at least didn't tread waters too deep for him to swim in.

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#55884: Apr 16th 2017 at 6:07:59 AM

Man, this days everyone and their brother is god level, huh? 17 sure would have been useful all those other times.

Putting that bit of stupidity aside, I'm kinda digging Goku and 17, the nature bros.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#55885: Apr 16th 2017 at 7:26:54 AM

I wonder how many months of pushups it took for 17 to get that strong.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#55886: Apr 16th 2017 at 7:40:46 AM

[up] "How many pushups?! How many situps?! What kind of juice?!"

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DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#55887: Apr 16th 2017 at 7:41:41 AM

I'm just happy we have characters who are almost on the same level as Sayians. Isn't that a complaint with later DBZ anyway?

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#55888: Apr 16th 2017 at 7:51:55 AM

[up][up][up] 3, tops.

edited 16th Apr '17 7:52:09 AM by hardcorefakes

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#55889: Apr 16th 2017 at 7:53:59 AM

[up][up]A legit complaint...

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#55890: Apr 16th 2017 at 8:46:18 AM

I mean yeah DB doesn't have exactly Shakespearean writing

False.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#55891: Apr 16th 2017 at 8:54:14 AM

It's a shame the AB Groupe/ Big Green dub isn't more well-known, because it's incredibly entertaining.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#55892: Apr 16th 2017 at 9:29:18 AM

I'm just happy we have characters who are almost on the same level as Sayians. Isn't that a complaint with later DBZ anyway?

Not just Z. People have been complaining about Super being the Goku and Vegeta show for a long while now.

Hmm, now that I think about it, since 17 never gets tired he should theoretically be able to do pushups far more efficiently than Frieza.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55893: Apr 16th 2017 at 9:36:27 AM

I don't mind them getting stronger, I just wish there was a better reason for it.

It seems like all the others are just suddenly deciding now we're Buu level ha ha!

It's a little silly, and this is from someone who's hated how large the gap was better Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and basically everyone else in the story for years now.

I'm curious to see how the manga handles it.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55894: Apr 16th 2017 at 9:43:53 AM

I love that 17 has a picture of his kids in his cell phone. I wish we could have seen em though.

Also, i wonder who they will get to cover for 17 on that island while 17 is off at the tournament, since that seems to be the only way he'd agree to leave.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#55895: Apr 16th 2017 at 9:49:21 AM

[up] Yamcha, maybe?

Jaco?

...Arale?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#55896: Apr 16th 2017 at 9:51:57 AM

I like what Super is trying to do; give characters that have long since been forgotten some limelight, but it's very flawed in trying to do so. So...take what you get.

Like, at this point, Super Saiyan Blue may as well just be a recolored Super Saiyan. Before they at least tried to act like it was a new threshold of power, but now it's basically used as often as any other transformation and it seems like everyone can keep up with it. It's basically starting to become So Last Season despite how relatively new it is lol, which makes the idea that Goku will be getting a new transformation all the more plausible.

Like mentioned, Dragon Ball doesn't really have amazing writing and it's really flawed in a lot of areas, but it had some measure of consistency but you mostly read it for the cool fights or characters you like. Super pretty much embraces the latter wholeheartedly, eschewing any sort of consistency within the franchise or even itself for the sake of Rule of Cool and Rule of Fun.

Whether that's good or not depends entirely up to the individual and what they're willing to tolerate. The manga is also there and somewhat tries to explain things that are mostly glossed over in the Anime. Whether it succeeds in that is also up to the individual. So yea, Super is very flawed and I'll admit there's a lot of things that make me roll my eyes, but I still watch it every week because it's Dragon Ball and I the series at least.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55897: Apr 16th 2017 at 9:56:23 AM

[up]X2

Yamcha isn't a bad idea, since he won't be picked. Jaco would be a good choice too since even space poachers tend to show up.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55898: Apr 16th 2017 at 9:57:39 AM

I'd rather have simple and uncomplicated over the author attempting to write something deep and complex that winds up producing an incredibly awful mess.

You just basically summed up my issues with Toriko.

I'm just happy we have characters who are almost on the same level as Sayians. Isn't that a complaint with later DBZ anyway?

If that isn't executed well and is basically "just because" that doesn't any mean anything. Then again, apparently a lot of people don't actually care about justification or execution.

edited 16th Apr '17 9:59:40 AM by LSBK

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#55899: Apr 16th 2017 at 10:05:00 AM

I don't mind them getting stronger, I just wish there was a better reason for it. It seems like all the others are just suddenly deciding now we're Buu level ha ha!

Well, Tien and Roshi, sure, but I'd argue that Krillin's power boost isn't as farfetched as we think it is.

First of all, I think people are overselling his feats in Episode 84. It was pretty clear to me that Goku wasn't using anything close to his full power during that sparring match. Goku has incredible control over his strength (as we saw in the latest episode when he was able to take out those mooks non-lethally), and he almost never goes 100% unless he absolutely has to. There's no way he would go all out against Krillin, since he knows how much weaker he is; hell, Krillin had to beg him to lay a punch on him back in the RF arc.

Second of all, the purpose of Krillin's mini-arc was to establish that some of the barriers holding Krillin back from getting stronger are mental, rather than physical. He has an inferiority complex, and he always goes into a fight expecting to fail. Which is, you know, understandable, since he was bullied as a child, and then he spent years training alongside someone who was always one step ahead of him (and then two steps, and then three steps, et cetera, et cetera). Episode 75 has him overcome that mental block and finally start believing in himself again, thus increasing his potential for gain.

At least, that's the way I see it.

edited 16th Apr '17 10:06:21 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#55900: Apr 16th 2017 at 10:11:07 AM

The problem I had wasn't so much Krillin trying to overcome a mental block, but rather how the series is selling it. Two episodes ago, we had him beating Gohan and lecturing him on how he needs to be focused in a real fight...as if Krillin is a way more experienced fighter than Gohan despite the fact that the latter has always been on the frontlines more than the former. And ya know, the fact that the latter is half-Saiyan. And don't try to tell me Gohan slacking off is a good enough reason because Krillin wasn't focused on martial arts for an even longer period of time and Gohan inherently stronger than him.

And then yea, Goku might've been holding back, but without any explanation or something we're just kind of supposed to assume that Krillin can keep up with Goku's super saiyan form and god level to an extent.

There's no Handwave aside from "He's not scared" anymore, which is rather flimsy if I'm honest. I like how he's getting some measure of development, but I think they're overselling it to the point of it being kinda nonsensical.

edited 16th Apr '17 10:13:21 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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