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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55626: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:33:36 PM

How the muffins do they get stronger because they don't train? Dammit! Super! I'm trying to defend you from Saiga here, but you don't make it fucking easy!

As for Gohan's comment, we have to consider who's saying it, who he's saying it about, and what they will mean to each other.

He's being an idiot because he likes her, and hates seeing her get massacred. Still a dumb thing to say, but I get where he came from somewhat.

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Jedi1113 Since: Jun, 2009
#55627: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:35:40 PM

Maybe it has to do with their infinite energy? Like not using it means they have a massive amount built up?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55628: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:37:54 PM

I mean its not hard to believe that Gero installed some evolution mechanic that makes them more stronger over time.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55629: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:38:26 PM

You would think that would have been brought up during the seven years of not training between Cell and Buu.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#55630: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:38:49 PM

The main problem with this explanation is that Future Trunks should NOT have beaten his androids. No one on Earth could give them a "hard" fight, for 10 years.

edited 9th Apr '17 3:42:43 PM by VeryMelon

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55631: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:44:05 PM

Since when do villains have the initiative to train? Even Vegeta started abusing his zenkais. Piccolo Junior is like the one villain who took the opportunity

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#55632: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:45:46 PM

I mean its not hard to believe that Gero installed some evolution mechanic that makes them more stronger over time.

That would contradict his decision to make 18 weaker because 17 was too strong to control.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55633: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:53:08 PM

That is true. Unless there's just another difference between his timeline and the current one.

We know their greater power in this time is because they never fought at full strength (and Trunks didn't know that), but maybe this is just one of the minor changes he and Cell caused in the past.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55634: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:53:34 PM

@LSBK

Then he's not a ref and just a glorified announcer.

Anyway, point was that that was the reason why folks were asking why the officials weren't doing anything, when in real life officials are supposed to stop it if a fight gets that bad or one sided.

edited 9th Apr '17 3:57:32 PM by Cortez

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#55635: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:54:03 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Maybe Gohan fighting them and their casual use of their powers to destroy cities kept them around the level they started at. Really, this is kind of an interesting concept: they literally stole Broly's canon shtick and Broly's fanon shtick and applied both to 17 and 18. So it's less that they have infinite energy reserves, and more that their generators infinitely produce energy, which causes their bodies to adapt to the power and grow stronger over time.

edited 9th Apr '17 3:55:40 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#55636: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:54:07 PM

[up][up][up][up] True.

Ok I came up with some ideas that could make sense:

Gero made them weaker but more viscious.

Or

After being absorbed by Cell, something happened to 17 & 18 that made them stronger.

You can justify 18 losing hard to Super Buu as being frightened by his savagery, prioritizing the protection of her own daughter & being defeated by an attack that affects you regardless of power level. Vegito was turned into a candy despite being leagues stronger than Super Gohan Buu.

edited 9th Apr '17 3:54:46 PM by slimcoder

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55637: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:57:41 PM

[up][up][up]Well, he's that as well. But also you were just wrong about how these tournaments actually work, there's no getting around that.

edited 9th Apr '17 3:58:21 PM by LSBK

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55638: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:59:14 PM

Not really. I'm just familiar with the fact that refs aren't meant to be decorations.

edited 9th Apr '17 4:00:21 PM by Cortez

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#55639: Apr 9th 2017 at 3:59:50 PM

I mean, wasn't it a thing where Original Timeline!Gero tried doing something to the Androids in an effort to make them easier to control, which led to them not only being weaker than the current timeline's version of them, but also removed most of their humanity in the process, turning them into the mass murderers they ended up becoming?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55640: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:01:03 PM

[up][up]Yes, really. You claimed it was his or someone else's responsibility to stop Videl's match when that has never been how the tournaments were operated. You were wrong and going "I know how refs are really supposed to be" doesn't change that. Context matters.

edited 9th Apr '17 4:03:21 PM by LSBK

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55641: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:06:55 PM

No,Not really. And it is their job, since they have rules against killing, which means they are supposed to enforce them.

So, yeah. It is their job to enforce their rules.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#55642: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:10:02 PM

Everything else in the series disagrees with you. You can't just say "I understand the rules better" and expect people to take you seriously.

Edit: He wanted things to end as much as anyone else. If it was within the rules for him to end the match, he would have done so.

edited 9th Apr '17 4:20:47 PM by LSBK

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#55643: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:17:04 PM

...

So, if Future Gohan had had more than one Senzu Bean, would he have regrown his arm?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#55644: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:20:33 PM

Probably.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55645: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:24:05 PM

Can Senzus regrow limbs?

edited 9th Apr '17 5:40:39 PM by Cortez

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#55646: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:27:37 PM

I don't think so, not going by how they've been used.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55647: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:30:21 PM

So Tien lucked out. Since he got his hand back after getting revived.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#55648: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:35:38 PM

They can bring back the meat...but not the bone....

Haha...

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#55649: Apr 9th 2017 at 4:48:49 PM

It also seems like most members of Universe 11's team will be members of the Pride Troopers going by what Toppo said, if not all of them.

Which i guess makes sense, since Toppo seems to be the one picking the members.

Makes me wonder how many members the Pride Troopers do have.

UdtheImp from Stamford, CT (Series 2) Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#55650: Apr 9th 2017 at 5:53:50 PM

In terms of scope, largest case scenario would be a universal spanning organization like the Green Lanterns and/or Nova Corp.

DAMMIT MARK, STOP HITTING HELPY!!

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